Comments on: P2P, Streaming and CDNs: What Will Really Work? http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/ NewTeeVee Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:33:44 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Grid Joins the P2P CDN Party « GigaOM http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-130801 Grid Joins the P2P CDN Party « GigaOM Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:49:50 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-130801 <p>[...] Tuesday, October 30, 2007 at 10:49 AM PT | No comments The hybrid P2P-CDN business model is becoming increasingly popular with content distributors, largely due to rapid growth in the demand for online [...]</p> [...] Tuesday, October 30, 2007 at 10:49 AM PT | No comments The hybrid P2P-CDN business model is becoming increasingly popular with content distributors, largely due to rapid growth in the demand for online [...]

]]> By: Getting Hitched: Traditional CDN and P2P architectures « http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3915 Getting Hitched: Traditional CDN and P2P architectures « Fri, 25 May 2007 16:31:11 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3915 <p>[...] Hitched: Traditional CDN and P2P architectures Published May 25th, 2007 Uncategorized Paul at NewTeeVee raised a topic that seems to be batted around quite a bit; whether a P2P-based technology can stand on its own or [...]</p> [...] Hitched: Traditional CDN and P2P architectures Published May 25th, 2007 Uncategorized Paul at NewTeeVee raised a topic that seems to be batted around quite a bit; whether a P2P-based technology can stand on its own or [...]

]]> By: Sebastien http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3917 Sebastien Wed, 23 May 2007 08:48:16 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3917 <p>1-Click Media also uses hybrid CDN (HTTP/FTP) +P2P to deliver final users with DVD/HD quality videos cost efficiently.</p> <p>Our solution is able to push content to users, so you can develop a relationship with your final users (through subscription of content channels for example), and we can reach up to 90% of P2P in the distribution of some files !</p> <p>We are working with TV channels and have already 300 000 active users per month !</p> <p>http://www.1-click.com</p> 1-Click Media also uses hybrid CDN (HTTP/FTP) +P2P to deliver final users with DVD/HD quality videos cost efficiently.

Our solution is able to push content to users, so you can develop a relationship with your final users (through subscription of content channels for example), and we can reach up to 90% of P2P in the distribution of some files !

We are working with TV channels and have already 300 000 active users per month !

http://www.1-click.com

]]> By: Multi-tree http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3918 Multi-tree Tue, 22 May 2007 20:55:21 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3918 <p>The question of CDN vs P2P oversimplifies the landscape as the requirements for live, progressive streaming, and download are all different. Furthermore, the major driver for supplementing P2P with server capacity is lack of support for clients behind NATs. If 60% of peers are behind NATs, and none of those can contribute to the network, the P2P solution is 40% efficient at best. Lack of CDN capacity to subsidize an inefficient network manifests itself as poor QOS. BitTorrent and other download-only technologies don't have a QOS requirement and can get away with more, but otherwise server-based capacity is here to stay.</p> The question of CDN vs P2P oversimplifies the landscape as the requirements for live, progressive streaming, and download are all different. Furthermore, the major driver for supplementing P2P with server capacity is lack of support for clients behind NATs. If 60% of peers are behind NATs, and none of those can contribute to the network, the P2P solution is 40% efficient at best. Lack of CDN capacity to subsidize an inefficient network manifests itself as poor QOS. BitTorrent and other download-only technologies don’t have a QOS requirement and can get away with more, but otherwise server-based capacity is here to stay.

]]> By: Yaron Samid http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3916 Yaron Samid Tue, 22 May 2007 05:40:50 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3916 <p>Absolutely CDN+P2P is the future of media distribution online and I'm glad to see the savvy NewTeeVee reader's agree. HTTP is going to get some much needed help from intelligent Hybrid P2P platforms.</p> <p>See http://www.pando.com/platform and try a few HD video downloads for a glimpse at the future, today.</p> Absolutely CDN+P2P is the future of media distribution online and I’m glad to see the savvy NewTeeVee reader’s agree. HTTP is going to get some much needed help from intelligent Hybrid P2P platforms.

See http://www.pando.com/platform and try a few HD video downloads for a glimpse at the future, today.

]]> By: Drew http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3914 Drew Sat, 19 May 2007 13:34:34 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3914 <p>CDNs are a cost plus business. For CDNs, cost and therefore plus can be very large. For some CDNs, plus is bigger than others. In the P2P business, the cost number is small...very small. Consequently the cost plus model breaks down. Believe me. We think delivery should be only one facet of a product/service offering designed for specific market segments. At least that's our story.</p> <p>CDNs will always be with us especially for long tail content. Unfortunately implicit in their current valuations are assumptions about unlimited traffic growth. That marginal growth is probably overstated because P2P companies will aggressively price their low cost services in competition for fat tail clients. (We are about 10% the cost of cheap CDNs.)</p> <p>The answer to your survey is CDN and P2P with P2P capturing most of the growth.</p> CDNs are a cost plus business. For CDNs, cost and therefore plus can be very large. For some CDNs, plus is bigger than others. In the P2P business, the cost number is small…very small. Consequently the cost plus model breaks down. Believe me. We think delivery should be only one facet of a product/service offering designed for specific market segments. At least that’s our story.

CDNs will always be with us especially for long tail content. Unfortunately implicit in their current valuations are assumptions about unlimited traffic growth. That marginal growth is probably overstated because P2P companies will aggressively price their low cost services in competition for fat tail clients. (We are about 10% the cost of cheap CDNs.)

The answer to your survey is CDN and P2P with P2P capturing most of the growth.

]]> By: Louis Choquel http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3913 Louis Choquel Sat, 19 May 2007 13:18:48 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3913 <p>Podmailing uses a hybrid network P2P + CDN and it's the best way to reduce cost and guarantee the best quality of service for peak demand and for long tail content. I posted yesterday on VIPeers to explain these advantages.</p> Podmailing uses a hybrid network P2P + CDN and it’s the best way to reduce cost and guarantee the best quality of service for peak demand and for long tail content.
I posted yesterday on VIPeers to explain these advantages.

]]> By: james pierce http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3912 james pierce Sat, 19 May 2007 08:13:20 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3912 <p>mytvpal.com has instant full screen streaming. Bandwith is cheap these days. p2p streaming has too many buffering issues which is annoying to be worth while</p> mytvpal.com has instant full screen streaming. Bandwith is cheap these days. p2p streaming has too many buffering issues which is annoying to be worth while

]]> By: Taylor Moore http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3911 Taylor Moore Fri, 18 May 2007 22:09:23 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3911 <p>Also check out itiva.com</p> Also check out itiva.com

]]> By: Ant Bryan http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3910 Ant Bryan Fri, 18 May 2007 18:06:45 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3910 <p>Check out Metalink for P2P + CDN format used by download programs.</p> Check out Metalink for P2P + CDN format used by download programs.

]]> By: Matt_ http://newteevee.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3909 Matt_ Fri, 18 May 2007 13:42:36 +0000 http://newteevee.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/p2p-streaming-and-cdns-what-will-really-work/#comment-3909 <p>How about Justin.tv distributed by Neokast ;)</p> How about Justin.tv distributed by Neokast ;)

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