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		<title>By: Red39</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2007/10/10/essay-the-myth-of-infinite-bandwidth/#comment-270414</link>
		<dc:creator>Red39</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Convergence Trouble? Chances are Lack of Capacity Is Not the Reason - Caller IP</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2007/10/10/essay-the-myth-of-infinite-bandwidth/#comment-126265</link>
		<dc:creator>Convergence Trouble? Chances are Lack of Capacity Is Not the Reason - Caller IP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] bandwidth remains an important topic. Though it is plentiful, it is not infinite. The writer of this thoughtful NewTeeVee piece says that the concept of unlimited bandwidth often is mistaken for instantaneous availability [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Vrijdagmiddag internetvideonieuws roundup #4 &#124; zoomz - Alles over internetvideo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vrijdagmiddag internetvideonieuws roundup #4 &#124; zoomz - Alles over internetvideo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Schizodoxe &#124; le blog des mutations : sciences, technologie, robotique, culture, video, news, infos, analyses...</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2007/10/10/essay-the-myth-of-infinite-bandwidth/#comment-123070</link>
		<dc:creator>Schizodoxe &#124; le blog des mutations : sciences, technologie, robotique, culture, video, news, infos, analyses...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ShaunO</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2007/10/10/essay-the-myth-of-infinite-bandwidth/#comment-122944</link>
		<dc:creator>ShaunO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;a) not possible
b) i couldn&#039;t afford my data bills, the commodity is data used, not speed/latency
c) you could do all the obvious with video, 3d worlds and things today that are constrained by speed and latency
d) unless I misunderstand &#039;essay&#039; - this is not one - maybe Rhetorical Question might have been a better title?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) not possible<br />
b) i couldn&#8217;t afford my data bills, the commodity is data used, not speed/latency<br />
c) you could do all the obvious with video, 3d worlds and things today that are constrained by speed and latency<br />
d) unless I misunderstand &#8216;essay&#8217; &#8211; this is not one &#8211; maybe Rhetorical Question might have been a better title?</p>
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		<title>By: JAMES CARLINI</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2007/10/10/essay-the-myth-of-infinite-bandwidth/#comment-122928</link>
		<dc:creator>JAMES CARLINI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The BUSINESS QUESTION is not What would you do with infinite bandwidth?  In all the years spent in systems development, mission critical networks and mission critical applications, the argument against new applications was and still is - we do not have enough bandwidth to implement that type of application.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The BUSINESS QUESTION is = What could you do if bandwidth was not an issue?  If bandwidth is NOT a constraining factor - what applications could you do that you cannot do now?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For example, downloading a 90-minute video would take hours on DSL but on a 1Gbps line it would take less than ten seconds.  On a 10Gbps line it would take less than one second.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you have that kind of multi-Gbps bandwidth at the subscriber level, what creative applications can you envision AND implement that you cannot do today?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These are the questions to be asked anad answered on approach to the issue of bandwidth.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One reader had it right - the more you have, the more you will fill it up.  Just like when you buy a 2-car garage house, You fill up the garage with your cars and junk and say you need three car garage house.  You think it is enough but you outgrow that and wish you had a 4-car garage.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BUSINESS QUESTION is not What would you do with infinite bandwidth?  In all the years spent in systems development, mission critical networks and mission critical applications, the argument against new applications was and still is &#8211; we do not have enough bandwidth to implement that type of application.</p>
<p>The BUSINESS QUESTION is = What could you do if bandwidth was not an issue?  If bandwidth is NOT a constraining factor &#8211; what applications could you do that you cannot do now?</p>
<p>For example, downloading a 90-minute video would take hours on DSL but on a 1Gbps line it would take less than ten seconds.  On a 10Gbps line it would take less than one second.</p>
<p>If you have that kind of multi-Gbps bandwidth at the subscriber level, what creative applications can you envision AND implement that you cannot do today?</p>
<p>These are the questions to be asked anad answered on approach to the issue of bandwidth.</p>
<p>One reader had it right &#8211; the more you have, the more you will fill it up.  Just like when you buy a 2-car garage house, You fill up the garage with your cars and junk and say you need three car garage house.  You think it is enough but you outgrow that and wish you had a 4-car garage.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas D. Wolfwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas D. Wolfwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Even if we had infinite bandwidth, there would still be limits, I&#039;m pretty sure no PC in the world will take advantage of it, let alone provide infinite bandwidth, I guess what I&#039;m saying is you&#039;re limited by your own PC, the ability to process all that data and storing all that data would be the limiting factor.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if we had infinite bandwidth, there would still be limits, I&#8217;m pretty sure no PC in the world will take advantage of it, let alone provide infinite bandwidth, I guess what I&#8217;m saying is you&#8217;re limited by your own PC, the ability to process all that data and storing all that data would be the limiting factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Leinwand</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2007/10/10/essay-the-myth-of-infinite-bandwidth/#comment-122903</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Leinwand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Ryan - thanks for the reply.  Great thoughts on how the network and Internet could change - this is the discussion I was hoping this post would inspire :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan &#8211; thanks for the reply.  Great thoughts on how the network and Internet could change &#8211; this is the discussion I was hoping this post would inspire :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan F</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2007/10/10/essay-the-myth-of-infinite-bandwidth/#comment-122887</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think infinite bandwidth is a bit of a hyperbole, theres no such thing as infinite bandwidth, just like you could never present me with an infinite list of numbers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Communications via quantum entanglement has the very real possibility of creating a practically latency free network, with no notable lag communicating from the us to australia, or even to other planets when we get there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Additionally, because distance would no longer become an issue, running cables being a thing of the past, the throughput would be operating near the theoretical maximum of the technology employed to enable quantum communications... that and the speed of the backbone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With wires and radio frequencies no longer needed, communications would become a problem easily attacked with massive parallelism.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;End users might have a quantum network interface with a maximum throughput of x megabits/sec... adding a second interface would be trivial and double the bandwidth, because the infrastructure would be easier to deploy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How would it change the network? Well, offsite redundant storage could become standard, because there is no latency to communicate with an external drive. Not only could you access your storage and computing resources remotely as easily as you would at home, but you may never even end up being in physical possession of the physical storage or computing devices themselves... the manufacturers may find it easier to give you a code to access them rather than ship them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Parallel processing could become physically distributed, and may form large pools to be shared to eliminate processors going unused needlessly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A latency free network with relatively unlimited bandwidth could shift our view of computers further towards being one very very large network, accessed through progressively dumber terminals.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;CPUs and other discrete components may never end up being installed, just interfaced over direct quantum communications.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thats all a bit far fetched, but the potential is developing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Allan, as for your question, I do not use 100% of my bandwidth 100% of the time, but there are times when I do use 100% of my bandwidth, so no, I do not consider my current bandwidth to be infinite. I especially find I am limited by the upstream bandwidth. Even if I were allowed to &#039;roll over&#039; my upstream when it isn&#039;t being used, to be spent at a faster rate when needed, I would still find my current capacity to be limited.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Long winded. sorry.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think infinite bandwidth is a bit of a hyperbole, theres no such thing as infinite bandwidth, just like you could never present me with an infinite list of numbers.</p>
<p>Communications via quantum entanglement has the very real possibility of creating a practically latency free network, with no notable lag communicating from the us to australia, or even to other planets when we get there.</p>
<p>Additionally, because distance would no longer become an issue, running cables being a thing of the past, the throughput would be operating near the theoretical maximum of the technology employed to enable quantum communications&#8230; that and the speed of the backbone.</p>
<p>With wires and radio frequencies no longer needed, communications would become a problem easily attacked with massive parallelism.</p>
<p>End users might have a quantum network interface with a maximum throughput of x megabits/sec&#8230; adding a second interface would be trivial and double the bandwidth, because the infrastructure would be easier to deploy.</p>
<p>How would it change the network? Well, offsite redundant storage could become standard, because there is no latency to communicate with an external drive. Not only could you access your storage and computing resources remotely as easily as you would at home, but you may never even end up being in physical possession of the physical storage or computing devices themselves&#8230; the manufacturers may find it easier to give you a code to access them rather than ship them.</p>
<p>Parallel processing could become physically distributed, and may form large pools to be shared to eliminate processors going unused needlessly.</p>
<p>A latency free network with relatively unlimited bandwidth could shift our view of computers further towards being one very very large network, accessed through progressively dumber terminals.</p>
<p>CPUs and other discrete components may never end up being installed, just interfaced over direct quantum communications.</p>
<p>Thats all a bit far fetched, but the potential is developing.</p>
<p>Allan, as for your question, I do not use 100% of my bandwidth 100% of the time, but there are times when I do use 100% of my bandwidth, so no, I do not consider my current bandwidth to be infinite. I especially find I am limited by the upstream bandwidth. Even if I were allowed to &#8216;roll over&#8217; my upstream when it isn&#8217;t being used, to be spent at a faster rate when needed, I would still find my current capacity to be limited.</p>
<p>Long winded. sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Leinwand</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2007/10/10/essay-the-myth-of-infinite-bandwidth/#comment-122871</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Leinwand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Ryan and Pierre: If we all believe that we&#039;ll consume all of the bandwidth that we have, are you currently consuming 16Mbps down and 2Mbps up 24x7?  Do you plan on consuming 100Mbps 24x7 next year? If not, do you now consider your last mile bandwidth infinite?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan and Pierre: If we all believe that we&#8217;ll consume all of the bandwidth that we have, are you currently consuming 16Mbps down and 2Mbps up 24&#215;7?  Do you plan on consuming 100Mbps 24&#215;7 next year? If not, do you now consider your last mile bandwidth infinite?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Col - UbicMedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Col - UbicMedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@zbeast: you wrote &quot;AT&amp;T is charging me $200.00 a month for 6mb down (actual speed is more like 4mb down) and 768. up.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Where in the hell are you ? Is that a regular cost for bandwidth in the US, for instance in SF, LA or NYC ?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You are welcome in France: due to competition, regular price is about $20-/month for  ADSL access with 16 Mb/s downstream + 2 Mb/s upstream + unlimited volume&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Within less than a year, thanks to competititve FTTH deployment, it will be about $100for FTTH access with 100 Mb/s downstream AND upstream, unlimited volume :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@zbeast: you wrote &#8220;AT&amp;T is charging me $200.00 a month for 6mb down (actual speed is more like 4mb down) and 768. up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where in the hell are you ? Is that a regular cost for bandwidth in the US, for instance in SF, LA or NYC ?</p>
<p>You are welcome in France: due to competition, regular price is about $20-/month for  ADSL access with 16 Mb/s downstream + 2 Mb/s upstream + unlimited volume</p>
<p>Within less than a year, thanks to competititve FTTH deployment, it will be about $100for FTTH access with 100 Mb/s downstream AND upstream, unlimited volume :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The point is moot. The more bandwidth people have, the more they will consume.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d love to be able to send a 1.3GB DivX rip to a friend on AIM.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I had infinite bandwidth, I would just send the film in high definition.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The same holds true for storage. ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is moot. The more bandwidth people have, the more they will consume.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to be able to send a 1.3GB DivX rip to a friend on AIM.</p>
<p>If I had infinite bandwidth, I would just send the film in high definition.</p>
<p>The same holds true for storage. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While the speed of light is finite, quantum entanglement would provide for instantaneous communication between two or more locations.  This would still not be infinite bandwidth due to the limits of the two machines communicating.  Quantum entanglement coupled together with quantum based computers, and a way of automatically storing and updating dns-like ( address ) info of every other computer would make the internet as fast as possible, and close enough to infinite bandwidth that it might as well be.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the speed of light is finite, quantum entanglement would provide for instantaneous communication between two or more locations.  This would still not be infinite bandwidth due to the limits of the two machines communicating.  Quantum entanglement coupled together with quantum based computers, and a way of automatically storing and updating dns-like ( address ) info of every other computer would make the internet as fast as possible, and close enough to infinite bandwidth that it might as well be.</p>
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		<title>By: dora</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2007/10/10/essay-the-myth-of-infinite-bandwidth/#comment-122691</link>
		<dc:creator>dora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agree, there is no infinite bandwith. Its like a water flow in a pipe. There is a pipe boundary, the water can&#039;t flow infinite.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: old tech guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>old tech guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;how close to &quot;infinite&quot; is &quot;reasonable?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;are you getting better speeds over wireless than over fiber?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how close to &#8220;infinite&#8221; is &#8220;reasonable?&#8221;</p>
<p>are you getting better speeds over wireless than over fiber?</p>
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		<title>By: bwanderson</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2007/10/10/essay-the-myth-of-infinite-bandwidth/#comment-122682</link>
		<dc:creator>bwanderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Any thoughts what you would do with infinite bandwidth?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh, that&#039;s easy: download all the porn in the world.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Next question?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;:)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Any thoughts what you would do with infinite bandwidth?&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s easy: download all the porn in the world.</p>
<p>Next question?</p>
<p>:)</p>
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