Comments on: Why Are Some HD Shows S T R E T C H E D? http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/ NewTeeVee Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:17:22 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Oliver http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-250569 Oliver Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:08:44 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-250569 <p>On my brand new HD TV I get a grey line at the top and bottom of the screen with the HD signal ?? Why ??</p> On my brand new HD TV I get a grey line at the top and bottom of the screen with the HD signal ?? Why ??

]]> By: Rita Reed http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-250560 Rita Reed Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:40:37 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-250560 <p>I just bought a new 32" HDTV 1080P Sceptre which I am taking back...the remote sucks, the menu and sub-titles are so small you have to stand in front of the TV to read them.</p> <p>So what is the big deal with HD? If I have to watch short fat people I'll stick with my 27" 5 yr. old TV, which is looking a lot better now that I have seen the NEW technology. If I use the ratio that is normal, it's smaller than the old TV.</p> I just bought a new 32″ HDTV 1080P Sceptre which I am taking back…the remote sucks, the menu and sub-titles are so small you have to stand in front of the TV to read
them.

So what is the big deal with HD? If I have to watch short fat people I’ll stick with my 27″ 5 yr. old TV, which is looking a lot better now that I have seen the NEW technology. If I use the ratio that is normal, it’s smaller than the old TV.

]]> By: Zach http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-245214 Zach Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:37:23 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-245214 <p>They should be stretched. Nothing like having a 50" TV but onyl using 30" of it. STRETCH!</p> They should be stretched. Nothing like having a 50″ TV but onyl using 30″ of it. STRETCH!

]]> By: Ken http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-235772 Ken Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:30:22 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-235772 <p>To the last poster, that is only an option on most HD TV's if you are not actually getting the signal converted to full 720P or 1080i. True HD signals maintain the 16:9 ratio. What kills me is when A&EHD plays a classic like "The Godfather" and I see the message that the film has been "altered to fit" the television and then I am treated to a fat, short Marlon Brando. Original Aspect Ratio please or kindly remove the "Arts" from your name because you obvisouly have no respect for the art of film making.</p> To the last poster, that is only an option on most HD TV’s if you are not actually getting the signal converted to full 720P or 1080i. True HD signals maintain the 16:9 ratio.
What kills me is when A&EHD plays a classic like “The Godfather” and I see the message that the film has been “altered to fit” the television and then I am treated to a fat, short Marlon Brando.
Original Aspect Ratio please or kindly remove the “Arts” from your name because you obvisouly have no respect for the art of film making.

]]> By: John http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-235070 John Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:50:25 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-235070 <p>Well I don’t know if I’m the only one that’s thought of this solution, but with my HD TV, I have the option to choose either a full screen mode (which displays all signals in 16x9 whether it’s broadcast like that or not) or a 4:3 mode. So for instance, right know I’m watching True Lies on A&E HD. The image from A&E is stretched out, but I set my TV to 4:3 and it adjusts the signal back to a 4:3 aspect ration. So I don't know about anyone else, but this whole to stretch or not debate doesn’t apply to me at all.</p> Well I don’t know if I’m the only one that’s thought of this solution, but with my HD TV, I have the option to choose either a full screen mode (which displays all signals in 16×9 whether it’s broadcast like that or not) or a 4:3 mode. So for instance, right know I’m watching True Lies on A&E HD. The image from A&E is stretched out, but I set my TV to 4:3 and it adjusts the signal back to a 4:3 aspect ration. So I don’t know about anyone else, but this whole to stretch or not debate doesn’t apply to me at all.

]]> By: Miggity http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-235025 Miggity Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:45:03 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-235025 <p>Turner and AE-Networks are out of their damn mind. Hey Turner/AE! Take a look around. You're the only idiots doing this!</p> <p>STOP RUINING MY HISTORY HD CHANNEL!</p> Turner and AE-Networks are out of their damn mind. Hey Turner/AE! Take a look around. You’re the only idiots doing this!

STOP RUINING MY HISTORY HD CHANNEL!

]]> By: Miggity http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-235024 Miggity Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:43:08 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-235024 <p>ORIGINAL ASPECT RATIOS SHOULD BE LAW!!!</p> ORIGINAL ASPECT RATIOS SHOULD BE LAW!!!

]]> By: John http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-234935 John Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:37:05 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-234935 <p>With newer TV and Receivers and the built in Zoom and Stretch features the is no need to STRETCH HD CHANNELS!!!! STOP STRETCHING PLEASE. I can't stretch vertically with my TV or Sat receiver.</p> <p>And why is one new show in true hd and the next new episode STRETCHED. Now I know it's called "central panoramic stretch method.</p> <p>Thanks for giving me another place to vent. A&E won't listen...</p> With newer TV and Receivers and the built in Zoom and Stretch features the is no need to STRETCH HD CHANNELS!!!! STOP STRETCHING PLEASE. I can’t stretch vertically with my TV or Sat receiver.

And why is one new show in true hd and the next new episode STRETCHED. Now I know it’s called “central panoramic stretch method.

Thanks for giving me another place to vent. A&E won’t listen…

]]> By: Ben L http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-234850 Ben L Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:19:59 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-234850 <p>Because Jerry, some of us actually prefer artistic integrity. Which means no distortion and no cropping. Letterboxing/pillarboxing should not be feared.</p> Because Jerry, some of us actually prefer artistic integrity. Which means no distortion and no cropping. Letterboxing/pillarboxing should not be feared.

]]> By: Jerry http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-231116 Jerry Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:15:04 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-231116 <p>I don't understand why people are so passionate about original aspect ratio. As if you're gonna miss some wonderfully insightful use of camera on "Just Shoot Me." Pfff...even if you're talking about a movie who really cares. It's not as if anything on television is actually worth a shit anyways.</p> I don’t understand why people are so passionate about original aspect ratio. As if you’re gonna miss some wonderfully insightful use of camera on “Just Shoot Me.” Pfff…even if you’re talking about a movie who really cares. It’s not as if anything on television is actually worth a shit anyways.

]]> By: Bert http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-230909 Bert Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:26:52 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-230909 <p>Hi:</p> <p>I just sent this to TBS & A&E:</p> <p>Have you lost your minds?</p> <p>I just got a HDTV & cable upgrade to HD. I was originally happy to see your channels have been to added to HD. Upon looking at your shows & movies, everything is stretched out. Have you lost your minds? You are distorting the original work. I don't watch TV to see people become fatter!</p> <p>I'll tune to HD discovery, thank you. I'd rather watch the same show every day than watch a squished Jessica Alba!</p> Hi:

I just sent this to TBS & A&E:

Have you lost your minds?

I just got a HDTV & cable upgrade to HD. I was originally happy to see your channels have been to added to HD. Upon looking at your shows & movies, everything is stretched out. Have you lost your minds? You are distorting the original work. I don’t watch TV to see people become fatter!

I’ll tune to HD discovery, thank you. I’d rather watch the same show every day than watch a squished Jessica Alba!

]]> By: Charlie D. http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-204519 Charlie D. Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:23:44 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-204519 <p>Everything should be shown in the aspect ratio it was created in. I can't stand it when people say "oh but I don't like the bars." You'd rather see squished heads?! It makes no sense! Show content in the same ratio it was created, and let viewers bastardize it if they want.</p> Everything should be shown in the aspect ratio it was created in. I can’t stand it when people say “oh but I don’t like the bars.” You’d rather see squished heads?! It makes no sense! Show content in the same ratio it was created, and let viewers bastardize it if they want.

]]> By: SimonSSE http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-202517 SimonSSE Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:50:34 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-202517 <p>So here in the UK we have the same issue, with broadcasters now now originating nearly all material 16:9, and using the available signalling technologies (AFD & WSS) to tell the receivers that this is so.</p> <p>For a digital receiver or set top box (which is SD DVB, be it terrestrial, satellite or cable), as long as its been told what aspect ratio its glass is, it can take an intelligent guess at how to display the input. Nearly all receivers will display 4:3 input on 16:9 glass as pillar box (ie black side bars), I don't think many people - expert or not - like the stretched view. For a 16:9 input on 4:3 glass you usually get a choice in the receiver of centre cut out (ie lose the sides of the picture) or letter box (black bars top and bottom).</p> <p>What the BBC have done with their simulcast analogue transmission is a classic British compromise - aspect ratio convert the 16:9 source to 14:9, but retaining the correct geometry. So you get narrow black bars top and bottom, and a strip of cut off image at each side. This sort of works, but does leave visible aretefacts when vertical interval data (eg WSS) gets sucked into active picture.</p> <p>Some up market set top boxes can also do 14:9 scaling, but its a techie thing to set up, and most won't go there.</p> <p>If thy plasma screen burns in , well maybe thou spent too longst watching it. Go out and get a life:-)</p> So here in the UK we have the same issue, with broadcasters now now originating nearly all material 16:9, and using the available signalling technologies (AFD & WSS) to tell the receivers that this is so.

For a digital receiver or set top box (which is SD DVB, be it terrestrial, satellite or cable), as long as its been told what aspect ratio its glass is, it can take an intelligent guess at how to display the input. Nearly all receivers will display 4:3 input on 16:9 glass as pillar box (ie black side bars), I don’t think many people – expert or not – like the stretched view. For a 16:9 input on 4:3 glass you usually get a choice in the receiver of centre cut out (ie lose the sides of the picture) or letter box (black bars top and bottom).

What the BBC have done with their simulcast analogue transmission is a classic British compromise – aspect ratio convert the 16:9 source to 14:9, but retaining the correct geometry. So you get narrow black bars top and bottom, and a strip of cut off image at each side. This sort of works, but does leave visible aretefacts when vertical interval data (eg WSS) gets sucked into active picture.

Some up market set top boxes can also do 14:9 scaling, but its a techie thing to set up, and most won’t go there.

If thy plasma screen burns in , well maybe thou spent too longst watching it. Go out and get a life:-)

]]> By: Johnny http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-198622 Johnny Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:09:55 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-198622 <p>After seeing the stretching done by the latest Quicktime release that does something like the Central panoramic stretch, I think the panoramic idea is better so you don't have to deal with squished heads.</p> After seeing the stretching done by the latest Quicktime release that does something like the Central panoramic stretch, I think the panoramic idea is better so you don’t have to deal with squished heads.

]]> By: News Cast Live, formerly Mike Thinks News » NewsCast LIVE #153 Private Encryption, Private Advertising, Private class to be a journalist http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-198610 News Cast Live, formerly Mike Thinks News » NewsCast LIVE #153 Private Encryption, Private Advertising, Private class to be a journalist Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:53:41 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-198610 <p>[...] Is your TV network screwing up your HD picture? [...]</p> [...] Is your TV network screwing up your HD picture? [...]

]]> By: Reb http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-198491 Reb Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:19:53 +0000 http://newteevee.com/2007/12/16/why-are-some-hd-shows-s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d/#comment-198491 <p>Quote: I think flatscreens should have a “cropping” option similar to the latest Quicktime upgrade, that way people can fill their screens if they so choose w/o streching…</p> <p>My Dish network receiver actually offers the option of putting up grey bars (not designed for this purpose, though, but rather to minimize burn in when watching 4:3 content.) This turns out not to be a good alternative because A) since they are stretching the content, you are losing even more content since they've stretched part of the picture into the widescreen portions (so if you put up the bars, you cut off people's faces) B) In most cases the stretched content still falls into the viewable 4:3 area.</p> <p>No, the solution is for them not to stretch. They should put a fancy logo in the black bar areas so your screen is filled with that, which is what ESPN HD does.</p> Quote: I think flatscreens should have a “cropping” option similar to the latest Quicktime upgrade, that way people can fill their screens if they so choose w/o streching…

My Dish network receiver actually offers the option of putting up grey bars (not designed for this purpose, though, but rather to minimize burn in when watching 4:3 content.)
This turns out not to be a good alternative because
A) since they are stretching the content, you are losing even more content since they’ve stretched part of the picture into the widescreen portions (so if you put up the bars, you cut off people’s faces)
B) In most cases the stretched content still falls into the viewable 4:3 area.

No, the solution is for them not to stretch. They should put a fancy logo in the black bar areas so your screen is filled with that, which is what ESPN HD does.

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