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		<title>By: tw3@km0d3</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-272511</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i have time warner 10 Mbps internet, i believe it is road runner, but maybe not. either way, i have used Bittorrent and so far my top download speed was about 1.2 Mbps which is good, but my upload speeds are never above 20 Kbps, and not above 40Kbps total. ever. Not even when i create my own torrents... Some of my torrents dont even seed most of the time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have time warner 10 Mbps internet, i believe it is road runner, but maybe not. either way, i have used Bittorrent and so far my top download speed was about 1.2 Mbps which is good, but my upload speeds are never above 20 Kbps, and not above 40Kbps total. ever. Not even when i create my own torrents&#8230; Some of my torrents dont even seed most of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: loki</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-254287</link>
		<dc:creator>loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Those fascist at Charter have shut me down on p2p sharing with bit torrent.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those fascist at Charter have shut me down on p2p sharing with bit torrent.</p>
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		<title>By: ghost</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-253567</link>
		<dc:creator>ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;75.180.130.29 appears to be roadrunners primary ip address at the moment. p2p is more than a piracy network, it is one of the few remaining technologies that allows free distrobution of opensource software without the need for a paid host. So this is ultimately another commercial effort to close down our freedom. Ironically enough, the very operating system that roadrunner relies upon is being legally and openly distributed across p2p networks as  it has always been to futher its development and progress. Obviously these corporations have no respect or standards. obviously they are only pillaging what they can before trying to take domination and twist great things into very, very sad scenarios.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>75.180.130.29 appears to be roadrunners primary ip address at the moment. p2p is more than a piracy network, it is one of the few remaining technologies that allows free distrobution of opensource software without the need for a paid host. So this is ultimately another commercial effort to close down our freedom. Ironically enough, the very operating system that roadrunner relies upon is being legally and openly distributed across p2p networks as  it has always been to futher its development and progress. Obviously these corporations have no respect or standards. obviously they are only pillaging what they can before trying to take domination and twist great things into very, very sad scenarios.</p>
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		<title>By: Kriminal99</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-250792</link>
		<dc:creator>Kriminal99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that these tactics empower the ISPs to use deceptive false advertising tactics.  That is they advertise a certain internet speed, but that advertised speed is only valid as long as you don&#039;t actually use it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think they should be able to directly control how much bandwith each person gets, but then if they provide less than they advertise people should be able to sue the crap out of them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So if they say 2 mb/s, you better be able to do that much 24/7 rain or shine.  If they want to provide a variable service, then define it completely so the customer knows what they are paying for.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then they will be forced to compete to provide the best persistent speeds.  Right now it doesn&#039;t matter because people are more likely to get a 10 mb/s service that almost never goes above 500kb/s and goes as low as 50kb/s than a 1 mb/s service that usually is that high.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that these tactics empower the ISPs to use deceptive false advertising tactics.  That is they advertise a certain internet speed, but that advertised speed is only valid as long as you don&#8217;t actually use it.</p>
<p>I think they should be able to directly control how much bandwith each person gets, but then if they provide less than they advertise people should be able to sue the crap out of them.</p>
<p>So if they say 2 mb/s, you better be able to do that much 24/7 rain or shine.  If they want to provide a variable service, then define it completely so the customer knows what they are paying for.</p>
<p>Then they will be forced to compete to provide the best persistent speeds.  Right now it doesn&#8217;t matter because people are more likely to get a 10 mb/s service that almost never goes above 500kb/s and goes as low as 50kb/s than a 1 mb/s service that usually is that high.</p>
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		<title>By: Charters</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-249556</link>
		<dc:creator>Charters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Service Providers in Canada are kicking this into high gear, I just read that the issue of Net neutrality has been one of the most divisive issues of the new digital economy. Habitual Internet users, along with large content creators like Google, eBay and Yahoo, argue the Internet was created as a democratic medium where information flows freely, and should remain as such.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Telecom companies, on the other hand, argue they invest tons of money in networks, and large content providers should pay a premium so their data are delivered quickly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Barring that, the telecoms want the freedom to manage the network to prevent &quot;bandwidth hogs&quot; from crowding out regular users.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bell Canada is now limiting bandwidth usage.  Once this ball stops rolling it&#039;s going to be hard to stop.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Service Providers in Canada are kicking this into high gear, I just read that the issue of Net neutrality has been one of the most divisive issues of the new digital economy. Habitual Internet users, along with large content creators like Google, eBay and Yahoo, argue the Internet was created as a democratic medium where information flows freely, and should remain as such.</p>
<p>Telecom companies, on the other hand, argue they invest tons of money in networks, and large content providers should pay a premium so their data are delivered quickly.</p>
<p>Barring that, the telecoms want the freedom to manage the network to prevent &#8220;bandwidth hogs&#8221; from crowding out regular users.</p>
<p>Bell Canada is now limiting bandwidth usage.  Once this ball stops rolling it&#8217;s going to be hard to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Internet tools - DodgeBoard.com - Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Internet tools - DodgeBoard.com - Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] throttle your data.  Simple Get to the bottom of what your ISP offers by using this simple tool. Your TOS: A tool that’s worth checking out is your ISP’s terms of service. They will often spell out that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Service Deals &#187; Are You Getting What You&#8217;re Paying For? 25 Online Tools to Test Your Internet Service</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-241297</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet Service Deals &#187; Are You Getting What You&#8217;re Paying For? 25 Online Tools to Test Your Internet Service</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Your TOS: A tool that&#8217;s worth checking out is your ISP&#8217;s terms of service. They will often spell out that they&#8217;ll stop your traffic if deemed necessary. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: How to increase your upload speed? - Gnutella Forums</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-239058</link>
		<dc:creator>How to increase your upload speed? - Gnutella Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have a bit of info about their &#8216;traffic management&#8217;. [HSI] Charter Block p2p? &#8211; dslreports.com Road Runner, Charter and Cox TOS Also Include Anti-P2P Provisions « NewTeeVee  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Comcast News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Road Runner, Charter and Cox TOS Also Include Anti-P2P Provisions</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-231212</link>
		<dc:creator>Comcast News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Road Runner, Charter and Cox TOS Also Include Anti-P2P Provisions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] davidgward wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptWe examined the Terms of Service of several of Comcastâ€™s biggest competitors and found that provisions allowing interference with P2P traffic seems to be a standard part of ISPsâ€™ legal boilerplate these days. And unlike Comcast &#8230; [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can verify that even though &#039;traffic prioritization and protocol filtering&#039; is indeed in Cox&#039;s TOS (as well as quota limiting), they DO NOT actually employ such methods. I can torrent and use edonkey, etc without enabling encryption just fine.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can verify that even though &#8216;traffic prioritization and protocol filtering&#8217; is indeed in Cox&#8217;s TOS (as well as quota limiting), they DO NOT actually employ such methods. I can torrent and use edonkey, etc without enabling encryption just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Desk sites &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GigaNET: Weekend Edition</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-231179</link>
		<dc:creator>Desk sites &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GigaNET: Weekend Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] NewTeeVee: RoadRunner, Charter &amp; Cox&#8230; all have anti-p2p provisions in their TOC. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Comcast Boosts Broadband Speeds in Bay Area to 16 Mbps - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-231177</link>
		<dc:creator>Comcast Boosts Broadband Speeds in Bay Area to 16 Mbps - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] you are a BitTorrent-loving downloading machine, Comcast&#8217;s broadband service is good enough.&#160;Today it&#160;got a [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: GigaNET: Weekend Edition - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-231147</link>
		<dc:creator>GigaNET: Weekend Edition - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 03:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] NewTeeVee: RoadRunner, Charter &amp; Cox&#8230; all have anti-p2p provisions in their TOC. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Anonymous Customer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Customer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can vouch for charter&#039;s P2P blocking. During this past December I received an upgrade in my service from 3M/256k to 5M/512k. Immediately after this upgrade, I observed how â€śthe aggregate bandwidth available for certain usage protocols such as peer-to-peer.â€ť means there will be less and less bandwidth for my bittorrent. I had with my previous service the ability to upload at 29KB/s. With the upgrade I have yet to be able to upload more than 15KB/s and for the last 3 weeks it hasn&#039;t been more than 0.5KB/s.  These observations are strictly based on the bittorrent protocol. Other protocols, especially new and experimental ones (such as Wua.la), have so far been unaffected.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can vouch for charter&#8217;s P2P blocking. During this past December I received an upgrade in my service from 3M/256k to 5M/512k. Immediately after this upgrade, I observed how â€śthe aggregate bandwidth available for certain usage protocols such as peer-to-peer.â€ť means there will be less and less bandwidth for my bittorrent. I had with my previous service the ability to upload at 29KB/s. With the upgrade I have yet to be able to upload more than 15KB/s and for the last 3 weeks it hasn&#8217;t been more than 0.5KB/s.  These observations are strictly based on the bittorrent protocol. Other protocols, especially new and experimental ones (such as Wua.la), have so far been unaffected.</p>
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		<title>By: Road Runner, Charter and Cox TOS Also Include Anti-P2P Provisions &#124; Fresh Web 2.0 News</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/02/10/road-runner-charter-and-cox-tos-also-include-anti-p2p-provisions/#comment-231131</link>
		<dc:creator>Road Runner, Charter and Cox TOS Also Include Anti-P2P Provisions &#124; Fresh Web 2.0 News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] rivalry is not unsure most describing just what they poverty to do to kibosh P2P on their networks. Continue datum at Newteevee.com. Tags: netneutrality, charter, cox, comcast, roadrunner, p2p, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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