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	<title>Comments on: Comcast to BitTorrent: Let&#8217;s Be Friends</title>
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		<title>By: Ashwin Navin Leaving BitTorrent, Forming New Venture With YouTube&#8217;s Chen, Others &#171; NewTeeVee</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-248391</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashwin Navin Leaving BitTorrent, Forming New Venture With YouTube&#8217;s Chen, Others &#171; NewTeeVee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Comcast was actively blocking the BitTorrent P2P protocol. The two sides made nice and agreed to work together (instead of throttling BitTorrent, Comcast just implemented bandwidth [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Comcast was actively blocking the BitTorrent P2P protocol. The two sides made nice and agreed to work together (instead of throttling BitTorrent, Comcast just implemented bandwidth [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; ComtechBlog.info</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; ComtechBlog.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] news, which was first reported in The Wall Street Journal. The companies will even work together. NewTeeVee offers details on what the companies have agreed to do. Perhaps this isn&#8217;t too much of a surprise after all: [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; Favorite-Articles.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; Favorite-Articles.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 08:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#187; FCC at Stanford: No BitTorrent? Sidecut Reports</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-236562</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; FCC at Stanford: No BitTorrent? Sidecut Reports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] BT is sort-of responsible for the whole Comcast-blocking mess in the first place. (But then the two firms are BFF now, right? [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: FCC at Stanford: No BitTorrent? &#171; Sidecut Reports</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-236315</link>
		<dc:creator>FCC at Stanford: No BitTorrent? &#171; Sidecut Reports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] BT is sort-of responsible for the whole Comcast-blocking mess in the first place. (But then the two firms are BFF now, right? [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Bittorrent flip-flopping on net neutrality regulation &#124; Fresh Web 2.0 News</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-236300</link>
		<dc:creator>Bittorrent flip-flopping on net neutrality regulation &#124; Fresh Web 2.0 News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] read the example advise release in housing you uncomprehensible it, and my associate Chris Albrecht has finished a enthusiastic employ at summing up the issue over at [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Comcast to Create P2P Bill of Rights &#171; NewTeeVee</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-236267</link>
		<dc:creator>Comcast to Create P2P Bill of Rights &#171; NewTeeVee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] speeds &#8212; but only if Comcast stops throttling Bittorrent traffic first. The company has committed to do so later this year &#8212; once it switches to a protocol agnostic approach of network management &#8212; but [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; Homeownerloanmax.com</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-236170</link>
		<dc:creator>Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; Homeownerloanmax.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] news, which was first reported in The Wall Street Journal. The companies will even work together. NewTeeVee offers details on what the companies have agreed to do. Perhaps this isn&#8217;t too much of a surprise after all: [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: 5 Ways to Test If Your ISP Throttles P2P &#171; NewTeeVee</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-235518</link>
		<dc:creator>5 Ways to Test If Your ISP Throttles P2P &#171; NewTeeVee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] and more providers are putting the brakes on BitTorrent these days.Though Comcast was the first to make headlines with its anti-P2P policy, a bunch of other ISPs in the U.S. and elsewhere are throttling BitTorrent [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; Internetcolor</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-235370</link>
		<dc:creator>Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; Internetcolor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] news, which was first reported in The Wall Street Journal. The companies will even work together. NewTeeVee offers details on what the companies have agreed to do. Perhaps this isn&#8217;t too much of a surprise after all: [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; Besthostingguide.info</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-235342</link>
		<dc:creator>Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; Besthostingguide.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] news, which was first reported in The Wall Street Journal. The companies will even work together. NewTeeVee offers details on what the companies have agreed to do. Perhaps this isn&#8217;t too much of a surprise after all: [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; ARTICLESSTATION.COM</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-235265</link>
		<dc:creator>Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; ARTICLESSTATION.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] news, which was first reported in The Wall Street Journal. The companies will even work together. NewTeeVee offers details on what the companies have agreed to do. Perhaps this isn&#8217;t too much of a surprise after all: [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; ARTICLEHOMETOWN.COM</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-235223</link>
		<dc:creator>Comcast Shift a Nod to Political, Competitive Realities &#124; ARTICLEHOMETOWN.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] news, which was first reported in The Wall Street Journal. The companies will even work together. NewTeeVee offers details on what the companies have agreed to do. Perhaps this isn&#8217;t too much of a surprise after all: [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Robb Topolski</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/03/27/comcast-to-bittorrent-lets-be-friends/#comment-234984</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Topolski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who the hell is BitTorrent to make agreements for us?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just by way of re-introduction if necessary, I&#039;m probably a key figure
 as to why we&#039;re all talking about Network Neutrality again.  I was having a
 problem uploading on Gnutella in early 2007.  I tracked it down to
 Comcast using Sandvine-injected RST packets and documented it.  Blog
 stories led to press stories which led to independent confirmation.
 And here we are today.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Today Comcast and BitTorrent seems to have solved world hunger -- and
 I&#039;d love nothing more than to be optimistic about it.  But I cannot
 be.  As they say on Slashdot -- show video, or it didn&#039;t happen.  This
 deal is treachery, relies on how much we can trust the word of
 Comcast, and leaves the public interests out in the cold.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think it&#039;s strange that anyone believes a word that Comcast says.
 This is the Comcast that:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Told the FCC in 2005 that they would not degrade traffic in order
to convince the FCC that network neutrality regulations were not
needed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Started degrading P2P traffic the very next year, and failed to
tell anyone what they were doing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Used a system that utilized forgery, and successfully placed blame
on the other peer instead of Comcast.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Denied it when caught.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Then changed their story when the denials were not believed, but
still never came out and said what they were doing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Then they justified their actions by throwing their other
Cable-Internet brothers and sisters under the bus with their &quot;they do
it too!&quot; defense&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Then stealthily changed the AUP days before an FCC filing where
they referred to the new provisions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;When the changed AUP started getting press attention, they stated
that a prominent story on Comcast.net alerted millions of visitors of
the change and accused Marvin Ammori of crying wolf. (Google cache
proved that nothing alerted users to the changed AUP until the day
after the press started asking questions.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Then they packed the Harvard FCC hearing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This company has not demonstrated that you can trust its promises, nor
can you believe its assertions. Comcast just used BitTorrent Inc. as a
tool to try and defang the FCC.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BitTorrent Inc. is a content provider. Vuze, who actually DID make a
complaint and petition to the FCC, is a competitor. Neither
BitTorrent, Vuze, nor Comcast represents the interests of 12 million
Comcast users nor the The Internet Society nor the public. And this
middle-of-the-night deal was made without their input.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nothing has changed. The RST interference continues. It was a wrongful
act. BitTorrent Inc. has no right making a deal with Comcast allowing
it to continue to commit wrongful acts until it finally decides it is
ready to stop. The correct relief is to stop the interference
immediately and to FULLY DISCLOSE what it did and to accept
responsibility for those actions. (Even today, Comcast&#039;s Policy VP
refused to answer questions about the interference.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Their word is worthless. Until the interference stops, I have no
reason to believe it will. Until either meaningful competition returns
to broadband, or until sufficient government regulation enforces
Network Neutrality, we have no reason to think that this agreement
will last through the night.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Robb Topolski&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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<p>Just by way of re-introduction if necessary, I&#8217;m probably a key figure<br />
 as to why we&#8217;re all talking about Network Neutrality again.  I was having a<br />
 problem uploading on Gnutella in early 2007.  I tracked it down to<br />
 Comcast using Sandvine-injected RST packets and documented it.  Blog<br />
 stories led to press stories which led to independent confirmation.<br />
 And here we are today.</p>
<p>Today Comcast and BitTorrent seems to have solved world hunger &#8212; and<br />
 I&#8217;d love nothing more than to be optimistic about it.  But I cannot<br />
 be.  As they say on Slashdot &#8212; show video, or it didn&#8217;t happen.  This<br />
 deal is treachery, relies on how much we can trust the word of<br />
 Comcast, and leaves the public interests out in the cold.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s strange that anyone believes a word that Comcast says.<br />
 This is the Comcast that:</p>
<ol>
<li>
<p>Told the FCC in 2005 that they would not degrade traffic in order<br />
to convince the FCC that network neutrality regulations were not<br />
needed.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Started degrading P2P traffic the very next year, and failed to<br />
tell anyone what they were doing.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Used a system that utilized forgery, and successfully placed blame<br />
on the other peer instead of Comcast.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Denied it when caught.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Then changed their story when the denials were not believed, but<br />
still never came out and said what they were doing.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Then they justified their actions by throwing their other<br />
Cable-Internet brothers and sisters under the bus with their &#8220;they do<br />
it too!&#8221; defense</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Then stealthily changed the AUP days before an FCC filing where<br />
they referred to the new provisions.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>When the changed AUP started getting press attention, they stated<br />
that a prominent story on Comcast.net alerted millions of visitors of<br />
the change and accused Marvin Ammori of crying wolf. (Google cache<br />
proved that nothing alerted users to the changed AUP until the day<br />
after the press started asking questions.)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Then they packed the Harvard FCC hearing.</p>
<p>This company has not demonstrated that you can trust its promises, nor<br />
can you believe its assertions. Comcast just used BitTorrent Inc. as a<br />
tool to try and defang the FCC.</p>
<p>BitTorrent Inc. is a content provider. Vuze, who actually DID make a<br />
complaint and petition to the FCC, is a competitor. Neither<br />
BitTorrent, Vuze, nor Comcast represents the interests of 12 million<br />
Comcast users nor the The Internet Society nor the public. And this<br />
middle-of-the-night deal was made without their input.</p>
<p>Nothing has changed. The RST interference continues. It was a wrongful<br />
act. BitTorrent Inc. has no right making a deal with Comcast allowing<br />
it to continue to commit wrongful acts until it finally decides it is<br />
ready to stop. The correct relief is to stop the interference<br />
immediately and to FULLY DISCLOSE what it did and to accept<br />
responsibility for those actions. (Even today, Comcast&#8217;s Policy VP<br />
refused to answer questions about the interference.)</p>
<p>Their word is worthless. Until the interference stops, I have no<br />
reason to believe it will. Until either meaningful competition returns<br />
to broadband, or until sufficient government regulation enforces<br />
Network Neutrality, we have no reason to think that this agreement<br />
will last through the night.</p>
<p>Robb Topolski</p>
</li>
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		<title>By: CBC Torrent Caught Up in ISPs&#8217; BitTorrent Throttling &#171; NewTeeVee</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBC Torrent Caught Up in ISPs&#8217; BitTorrent Throttling &#171; NewTeeVee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SPIN CITY: Comcast, BitTorrent Non-Deal - GigaOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPIN CITY: Comcast, BitTorrent Non-Deal - GigaOM</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] and a way for Comcast to save face after its P2P traffic management gaffe. Chris Albrecht over on NewTeeVee sees this as a &#8220;let&#8217;s be friends&#8221; move. To me it seems more like the marriage of [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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