Comments on: Comcast Abandons P2P Bill of Rights http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/ NewTeeVee Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:17:22 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Episode #11 - Flavored Gravity http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237957 Episode #11 - Flavored Gravity Tue, 20 May 2008 16:51:31 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237957 <p>[...] Comcast Abandons P2P Bill of Rights All Decisions on Patent Disputes Since 2000 Might Be [...]</p> [...] Comcast Abandons P2P Bill of Rights All Decisions on Patent Disputes Since 2000 Might Be [...]

]]> By: Comcast considering 250GB monthly cap on downloads [Broadband] | DougsTech.com - Tech News, Reviews, and Guides http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237484 Comcast considering 250GB monthly cap on downloads [Broadband] | DougsTech.com - Tech News, Reviews, and Guides Fri, 09 May 2008 03:08:06 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237484 <p>[...] “Comcast is currently evaluating this service and pricing model.” Earlier this week, the company ditched the proposed “P2P bill of rights” it was developing with file sharin.... (Photo by AP/Paul [...]</p> [...] “Comcast is currently evaluating this service and pricing model.” Earlier this week, the company ditched the proposed “P2P bill of rights” it was developing with file sharin…. (Photo by AP/Paul [...]

]]> By: May 6, 2008 | next media update http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237462 May 6, 2008 | next media update Thu, 08 May 2008 17:00:07 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237462 <p>[...] Comcast Abandons P2P Bill of Rights NEWTEEVEE Comcast SVP Rich Woundy told the audience of the DCIA’s P2P Media Summit in Los Angeles on Monday that his company is not spearheading the creation of a P2P Bill of Rights anymore. Instead, Comcast will take part in a newly formed working group of the Distributed Computing Industry Association that aims to define best practices for the P2P industry. Comcast had proposed a set of guidelines called “Bill of Rights and Responsibilities for P2P Users and Service Providers” in cooperation with the P2P startup Pando less than three weeks ago. The proposal came just two days before an FCC hearing at Stanford University about Comcast’s ongoing practice of throttling BitTorrent traffic. Source> [...]</p> [...] Comcast Abandons P2P Bill of Rights NEWTEEVEE Comcast SVP Rich Woundy told the audience of the DCIA’s P2P Media Summit in Los Angeles on Monday that his company is not spearheading the creation of a P2P Bill of Rights anymore. Instead, Comcast will take part in a newly formed working group of the Distributed Computing Industry Association that aims to define best practices for the P2P industry. Comcast had proposed a set of guidelines called “Bill of Rights and Responsibilities for P2P Users and Service Providers” in cooperation with the P2P startup Pando less than three weeks ago. The proposal came just two days before an FCC hearing at Stanford University about Comcast’s ongoing practice of throttling BitTorrent traffic. Source> [...]

]]> By: Robb Topolski http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237382 Robb Topolski Wed, 07 May 2008 05:06:53 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237382 <p>C'mon, guys. Are we really fighting over the word "abandons?" I say let the press release speak for itself. The readers know that Comcast -- who has had considerable friction with the facts in this case -- is behind it. While that doesn't make it automatically false, Charlie and Marty, it certainly invites skepticism.</p> <p>The "PR Statements" to "Positive Action" ratio is very low in this matter. Or in other words, it's probably time to shut up, stop the interference, and deliver honestly the product your customers have paid you for!</p> C’mon, guys. Are we really fighting over the word “abandons?” I say let the press release speak for itself. The readers know that Comcast — who has had considerable friction with the facts in this case — is behind it. While that doesn’t make it automatically false, Charlie and Marty, it certainly invites skepticism.

The “PR Statements” to “Positive Action” ratio is very low in this matter. Or in other words, it’s probably time to shut up, stop the interference, and deliver honestly the product your customers have paid you for!

]]> By: Comcast Abandons P2P Bill of Rights | Fresh Web 2.0 News http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237379 Comcast Abandons P2P Bill of Rights | Fresh Web 2.0 News Wed, 07 May 2008 03:41:15 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237379 <p>[...] at the association’s Media Summit exhibit that this won’t be a achievement in the tract either. Continue datum at Newteevee.com. Tags: comcast, p2p, dcia, isps, [...]</p> [...] at the association’s Media Summit exhibit that this won’t be a achievement in the tract either. Continue datum at Newteevee.com. Tags: comcast, p2p, dcia, isps, [...]

]]> By: Tech Scoop - Hot Technology Gossip » Didn’t Take Long: Comcast Ditches P2P Bill Of Rights Idea http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237375 Tech Scoop - Hot Technology Gossip » Didn’t Take Long: Comcast Ditches P2P Bill Of Rights Idea Wed, 07 May 2008 02:09:48 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237375 <p>[...] the FCC that it was doing something. Having received the necessary press coverage, Comcast has now abandoned the plan, but says instead that it will join the Distributed Computing Industry Association, which is a [...]</p> [...] the FCC that it was doing something. Having received the necessary press coverage, Comcast has now abandoned the plan, but says instead that it will join the Distributed Computing Industry Association, which is a [...]

]]> By: Impexbank » Blog Archive » Didn’t Take Long: Comcast Ditches P2P Bill Of Rights Idea http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237374 Impexbank » Blog Archive » Didn’t Take Long: Comcast Ditches P2P Bill Of Rights Idea Wed, 07 May 2008 02:06:48 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237374 <p>[...] the FCC that it was doing something. Having received the necessary press coverage, Comcast has now abandoned the plan, but says instead that it will join the Distributed Computing Industry Association, which is a [...]</p> [...] the FCC that it was doing something. Having received the necessary press coverage, Comcast has now abandoned the plan, but says instead that it will join the Distributed Computing Industry Association, which is a [...]

]]> By: Didn’t Take Long: Comcast Ditches P2P Bill Of Rights Idea - BuzzYA! http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237372 Didn’t Take Long: Comcast Ditches P2P Bill Of Rights Idea - BuzzYA! Wed, 07 May 2008 02:02:02 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237372 <p>[...] the FCC that it was doing something. Having received the necessary press coverage, Comcast has now abandoned the plan, but says instead that it will join the Distributed Computing Industry Association, which is a [...]</p> [...] the FCC that it was doing something. Having received the necessary press coverage, Comcast has now abandoned the plan, but says instead that it will join the Distributed Computing Industry Association, which is a [...]

]]> By: Matt_ http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237365 Matt_ Tue, 06 May 2008 23:39:07 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237365 <p>Even if Comcast still throttles my Bittorent downloads with RST packets I have to give them some slack here after being called out for blocking p2p traffic they are going to try and rectify the situation in partner ship with the P2P Industry.Call it a Bill of Rights ,Best practices or Not wanting to get involved with FCC Regulation it will have to be a better proposition for p2p users.</p> Even if Comcast still throttles my Bittorent downloads with RST packets I have to give them some slack here after being called out for blocking p2p traffic they are going to try and rectify the situation in partner ship with the P2P Industry.Call it a Bill of Rights ,Best practices or Not wanting to get involved with FCC Regulation it will have to be a better proposition for p2p users.

]]> By: Richard Bennett http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237358 Richard Bennett Tue, 06 May 2008 21:04:05 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237358 <p>Janko, did you used to write for the National Enquirer? This is a Bat-boy story if I ever saw one. Black is white and white is black.</p> <p>Jesus.</p> Janko, did you used to write for the National Enquirer? This is a Bat-boy story if I ever saw one. Black is white and white is black.

Jesus.

]]> By: Marty Lafferty http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237355 Marty Lafferty Tue, 06 May 2008 19:28:52 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237355 <p>Janko -- We appreciate your candid assessment of the challenges to be overcome with the newly announced P2P Best Practices Working Group (PBPG), which we acknowledge, but would like to underscore that Comcast has in no way abandoned the idea for a “P2P Bill of Rights & Responsibilities (BRR).” Comcast is very much involved in the PBPG, which supersedes and expands the scope of its and Pando Networks’ initial call for a P2P BRR. Comcast and Pando took the first important step of conceiving this basic idea and urging other parties to join with them, and then approached us as an appropriate trade organization to more formally involve the industry in this initiative. We are in the process of recruiting additional qualified parties among ISPs, P2P companies, and content providers now. A more accurate headline would be “Comcast P2P Bill of Rights Proposal Evolves into P2P Best Practices Initiative.”</p> Janko — We appreciate your candid assessment of the challenges to be overcome with the newly announced P2P Best Practices Working Group (PBPG), which we acknowledge, but would like to underscore that Comcast has in no way abandoned the idea for a “P2P Bill of Rights & Responsibilities (BRR).” Comcast is very much involved in the PBPG, which supersedes and expands the scope of its and Pando Networks’ initial call for a P2P BRR. Comcast and Pando took the first important step of conceiving this basic idea and urging other parties to join with them, and then approached us as an appropriate trade organization to more formally involve the industry in this initiative. We are in the process of recruiting additional qualified parties among ISPs, P2P companies, and content providers now. A more accurate headline would be “Comcast P2P Bill of Rights Proposal Evolves into P2P Best Practices Initiative.”

]]> By: Janko Roettgers http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237350 Janko Roettgers Tue, 06 May 2008 18:48:23 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237350 <p>Charlie, I read the press release before writing the article, and I understand that you view the best practices working group as something that picks up on some of your initial ideas.</p> <p>However, if you quite publicly propose something as grand and almost constitutional as a Bill of Rights, only to decide less than three weeks later that a much humbler framed list of best practices will do as well, then maybe it's not really your place to talk semantics with me. I'm just sayin' ...</p> Charlie, I read the press release before writing the article, and I understand that you view the best practices working group as something that picks up on some of your initial ideas.

However, if you quite publicly propose something as grand and almost constitutional as a Bill of Rights, only to decide less than three weeks later that a much humbler framed list of best practices will do as well, then maybe it’s not really your place to talk semantics with me. I’m just sayin’ …

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]]> By: Robb Topolski http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237343 Robb Topolski Tue, 06 May 2008 17:15:20 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237343 <p>I agree that "abandoning" was the wrong descriptive word. The "BBR" was somewhat handed-off to the DCIA and very confusing (or confused) press articles ensued.</p> <p>As late as 3 days ago, my RSS reader kept headlining "Comcast, Pando to Work With Industry on P2P Bill of Rights."</p> <p>I'm not an expert in corporate communication, but I think the "release" verb in "press release" is an action that takes about ten days to reverberate, given the way that blogs copy other blogs. Any closer to that, and things quickly get out of hand. The Comcast+Pando P4PWG press, the Comcast+Pando BBR release, the Pando+Telefonica P4PWG release, and the DCIA PBPG (BBR) release all seemed to play "bumper cars" with one another.</p> <p>Here's a quote from a critic (me), and you're welcome to use it: Comcast recently joined the IETF and the DCIA and has participated in their recent meetings. While we haven't seen Comcast change its on-network behavior, Comcast has taken visible steps toward working within the scope of a broader Internet community. As a Comcast subscriber and an Internet enthusiast, I see this is a positive development.</p> <p>Robb Topolski robb@funchords.com</p> I agree that “abandoning” was the wrong descriptive word. The “BBR” was somewhat handed-off to the DCIA and very confusing (or confused) press articles ensued.

As late as 3 days ago, my RSS reader kept headlining “Comcast, Pando to Work With Industry on P2P Bill of Rights.”

I’m not an expert in corporate communication, but I think the “release” verb in “press release” is an action that takes about ten days to reverberate, given the way that blogs copy other blogs. Any closer to that, and things quickly get out of hand. The Comcast+Pando P4PWG press, the Comcast+Pando BBR release, the Pando+Telefonica P4PWG release, and the DCIA PBPG (BBR) release all seemed to play “bumper cars” with one another.

Here’s a quote from a critic (me), and you’re welcome to use it: Comcast recently joined the IETF and the DCIA and has participated in their recent meetings. While we haven’t seen Comcast change its on-network behavior, Comcast has taken visible steps toward working within the scope of a broader Internet community. As a Comcast subscriber and an Internet enthusiast, I see this is a positive development.

Robb Topolski
robb@funchords.com

]]> By: Charlie Douglas, Comcast http://newteevee.com/2008/05/06/comcast-abandons-p2p-bill-of-rights/#comment-237340 Charlie Douglas, Comcast Tue, 06 May 2008 16:42:35 +0000 http://newteevee.com/?p=3945#comment-237340 <p>Janko - Comcast has not abandoned the idea of a "Bill of Rights and Responsibilities." We fully support the DCIA's effort to build a coalition of ISPs, P2P companies, experts and others to develop a set of P2P Best Practices and encourage you and others to read the press release they put out last week at http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/05/prweb910024.htm. The fact is, Comcast and Pando took the first step in calling for a "Bill of Rights and Responsibilities" and the DCIA is an ideal forum for the entire industry to collaborate and develop some best practices. We look forward to working with the DCIA and others on this important initiative.</p> Janko – Comcast has not abandoned the idea of a “Bill of Rights and Responsibilities.” We fully support the DCIA’s effort to build a coalition of ISPs, P2P companies, experts and others to develop a set of P2P Best Practices and encourage you and others to read the press release they put out last week at http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/05/prweb910024.htm. The fact is, Comcast and Pando took the first step in calling for a “Bill of Rights and Responsibilities” and the DCIA is an ideal forum for the entire industry to collaborate and develop some best practices. We look forward to working with the DCIA and others on this important initiative.

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