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		<title>By: Mediadefender bestraft Revision3 &#124; zoomz - Alles over internetvideo</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238686</link>
		<dc:creator>Mediadefender bestraft Revision3 &#124; zoomz - Alles over internetvideo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] ging weliswaar even in de fout, maar werd daarvoor op een onchristelijke manier afgestrafd. Meer over de wanpraktijken op op NewTeeVee   Stem of voeg toe aan [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Janko Roettgers</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238638</link>
		<dc:creator>Janko Roettgers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jim, sorry about the spelling error, I&#039;ve corrected it in the original article, and thanks for stopping by to share your perspective. However, I don&#039;t really understand what your point is when you say:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I could, theoretically, create a torrent of The Office and use tracker.newteevee.com as one of those 40. That doesn’t mean you have a tracking server running.. just that someone thinks you do.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We were probably widely known for running an open tracker server, among the torrent-trading underworld, back in 1995/6. And when we came back up in April of 2008, those torrents immediately glommed back onto our tracking server. But remember - just because you are listed as a tracking server address in a torrent is no guarantee that there’s a real server behind it.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are you disputing that you tracked those 22,000 torrents? The data from sites like BTMon is pretty clear in this case. Here&#039;s a quick snapshot from one of the torrents in question:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;The.Chronicles.of.Narnia.Prince.Caspian.2008.Eng.TS.DivX-LTT.torrent - http://tracker.revision3.com:20000/announce&lt;br /&gt;
dls 1688, seeders 197, leechers 531, updated 1w ago.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now I&#039;m not saying that you broke the law by helping to distribute those files - heck, for all I know this very file could be a Mediadefender decoy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But the fact that you had a widely used open tracker with tens of thousands of torrents running undermines the argument that Mediadefender sneaked through a back door to wreak havoc. The door was wide open, and there already was a party going on inside.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, sorry about the spelling error, I&#8217;ve corrected it in the original article, and thanks for stopping by to share your perspective. However, I don&#8217;t really understand what your point is when you say:</p>
<p>&#8220;I could, theoretically, create a torrent of The Office and use tracker.newteevee.com as one of those 40. That doesn’t mean you have a tracking server running.. just that someone thinks you do.</p>
<p>We were probably widely known for running an open tracker server, among the torrent-trading underworld, back in 1995/6. And when we came back up in April of 2008, those torrents immediately glommed back onto our tracking server. But remember &#8211; just because you are listed as a tracking server address in a torrent is no guarantee that there’s a real server behind it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you disputing that you tracked those 22,000 torrents? The data from sites like BTMon is pretty clear in this case. Here&#8217;s a quick snapshot from one of the torrents in question:</p>
<p>&#8220;The.Chronicles.of.Narnia.Prince.Caspian.2008.Eng.TS.DivX-LTT.torrent &#8211; <a href="http://tracker.revision3.com:20000/announce" rel="nofollow">http://tracker.revision3.com:20000/announce</a><br />
dls 1688, seeders 197, leechers 531, updated 1w ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not saying that you broke the law by helping to distribute those files &#8211; heck, for all I know this very file could be a Mediadefender decoy.</p>
<p>But the fact that you had a widely used open tracker with tens of thousands of torrents running undermines the argument that Mediadefender sneaked through a back door to wreak havoc. The door was wide open, and there already was a party going on inside.</p>
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		<title>By: bradgoetsch</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238635</link>
		<dc:creator>bradgoetsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Breaking the law in order to protect intellectual property seems to be a road the world doesn&#039;t want to travel down. If corporations start making this a regular practice, I can only imagine the backlash and chaos that would ensue from the real hacker community. Preemptive justice could be a bitch.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breaking the law in order to protect intellectual property seems to be a road the world doesn&#8217;t want to travel down. If corporations start making this a regular practice, I can only imagine the backlash and chaos that would ensue from the real hacker community. Preemptive justice could be a bitch.</p>
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		<title>By: GigaNET Weekend Edition - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238634</link>
		<dc:creator>GigaNET Weekend Edition - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] NewTeeVee: What the DOS attack against Revision2 was really about. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Zerbet</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238631</link>
		<dc:creator>Zerbet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Even if Mr. Louderback hadn&#039;t just blown your premise completely out of the water, you would still look amateurish equating the error of one admin which incidentally allows OTHER PEOPLE to violate the law with the actions of a second admin that DIRECTLY (and knowingly and intentionally) violates the law!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not to mention the questionable cognitive leap associated with determining that the actions of the second admin (the one intentionally violating federal law) are even an error in the first place.  MediaTerrorist has never said &lt;em&gt;the way their system functioned&lt;/em&gt; was an error, have they?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if Mr. Louderback hadn&#8217;t just blown your premise completely out of the water, you would still look amateurish equating the error of one admin which incidentally allows OTHER PEOPLE to violate the law with the actions of a second admin that DIRECTLY (and knowingly and intentionally) violates the law!</p>
<p>Not to mention the questionable cognitive leap associated with determining that the actions of the second admin (the one intentionally violating federal law) are even an error in the first place.  MediaTerrorist has never said <em>the way their system functioned</em> was an error, have they?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Street</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238630</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder if they had similar problems during the California Gold Rush?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Jim Louderback</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238624</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Louderback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Besides the fact that you spelled my name wrong, there&#039;s another problem with your story.  Revision3 started in 2005, and distributed our programs only on Bittorrent for at least a while - and we&#039;ve been doing Torrent distribution since.  However, since at least April of last year, according to our IT folks (who started then), our tracker has been locked down to all but our own shows.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;
This changed in April of this year, when we switched tracking server software to try to keep the tracker stable (the native Python-based bittorrent tracking server software had trouble with white lists composed of thousands of shows - which we have).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;
At that point our tracker was open for five weeks, until a forum member alerted us to the fact that it was, in fact, providing index entries (or tracking - much like a search engine) lots of illegally shared files.  So we shut it down and the rest of the mess ensued.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;
Since we were up on Torrent since 2005, and since we were probably (I say probably because back when we were three guys in an apartment in LA, no one can really remember the details clearly) running an open tracker up until April of last year, our tracking server address became widely known...  When you create a torrent, you can specify any tracking server address you like - up to 40.  And a list of known open trackers comes along with most torrent creation software.  I could, theoretically, create a torrent of The Office and use tracker.newteevee.com as one of those 40.  That doesn&#039;t mean you have a tracking server running..  just that someone thinks you do.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;p&gt;
We were probably widely known for running an open tracker server, among the torrent-trading underworld, back in 1995/6.  And when we came back up in April of 2008, those torrents immediately glommed back onto our tracking server.  But remember - just because you are listed as a tracking server address in a torrent is no guarantee that there&#039;s a real server behind it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also remember that running a tracking server is not illegal. It&#039;s like a search engine, it just provides pointers.  Still, we&#039;re much happier that we have a stable tracking server that&#039;s locked to just our shows (it&#039;s not even running at all now, due to the problems, but should be back soon).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the fact that you spelled my name wrong, there&#8217;s another problem with your story.  Revision3 started in 2005, and distributed our programs only on Bittorrent for at least a while &#8211; and we&#8217;ve been doing Torrent distribution since.  However, since at least April of last year, according to our IT folks (who started then), our tracker has been locked down to all but our own shows.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;<br />
This changed in April of this year, when we switched tracking server software to try to keep the tracker stable (the native Python-based bittorrent tracking server software had trouble with white lists composed of thousands of shows &#8211; which we have).</p>
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<p>p&gt;<br />
At that point our tracker was open for five weeks, until a forum member alerted us to the fact that it was, in fact, providing index entries (or tracking &#8211; much like a search engine) lots of illegally shared files.  So we shut it down and the rest of the mess ensued.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;<br />
Since we were up on Torrent since 2005, and since we were probably (I say probably because back when we were three guys in an apartment in LA, no one can really remember the details clearly) running an open tracker up until April of last year, our tracking server address became widely known&#8230;  When you create a torrent, you can specify any tracking server address you like &#8211; up to 40.  And a list of known open trackers comes along with most torrent creation software.  I could, theoretically, create a torrent of The Office and use tracker.newteevee.com as one of those 40.  That doesn&#8217;t mean you have a tracking server running..  just that someone thinks you do.</p>
<p>&lt;</p>
<p>p&gt;<br />
We were probably widely known for running an open tracker server, among the torrent-trading underworld, back in 1995/6.  And when we came back up in April of 2008, those torrents immediately glommed back onto our tracking server.  But remember &#8211; just because you are listed as a tracking server address in a torrent is no guarantee that there&#8217;s a real server behind it.</p>
<p>Also remember that running a tracking server is not illegal. It&#8217;s like a search engine, it just provides pointers.  Still, we&#8217;re much happier that we have a stable tracking server that&#8217;s locked to just our shows (it&#8217;s not even running at all now, due to the problems, but should be back soon).</p>
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		<title>By: Media Defender, o bode expiatório dos &#8220;piratas&#8221; &#124; Remixtures</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238593</link>
		<dc:creator>Media Defender, o bode expiatório dos &#8220;piratas&#8221; &#124; Remixtures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 17:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Desesperadas por intermédio do tracker da Revision3. De acordo com o que Janko Roettgers refere no NewTeeVee, só o site indexador de torrents BTMon.com indica mais de 22 mil torrents associados ao servidor [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Desesperadas por intermédio do tracker da Revision3. De acordo com o que Janko Roettgers refere no NewTeeVee, só o site indexador de torrents BTMon.com indica mais de 22 mil torrents associados ao servidor [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stc</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238584</link>
		<dc:creator>stc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 14:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;a script that sends a 8GB SYN DOS went awry?  come on newteevee.  DOS attacks are a federal offense.  end of story.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a script that sends a 8GB SYN DOS went awry?  come on newteevee.  DOS attacks are a federal offense.  end of story.</p>
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		<title>By: The Lazy Canadian</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238574</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lazy Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 05:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice summary of the events.  I submitted the story to Digg, hopefully it&#039;ll get some attention there.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice summary of the events.  I submitted the story to Digg, hopefully it&#8217;ll get some attention there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/05/30/what-the-dos-attack-against-revision3-was-really-about/#comment-238568</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 01:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t Mess with the Louderback!&lt;/p&gt;
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