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		<title>By: Bookmarks about Viral</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-250368</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about Viral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] - bookmarked by 5 members originally found by jswindle on 2008-10-26  Veoh Quits Viral; Should Portals Make Content?  http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/ - bookmarked by 3 [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; bookmarked by 5 members originally found by jswindle on 2008-10-26  Veoh Quits Viral; Should Portals Make Content?  <a href="http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/" rel="nofollow">http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/</a> &#8211; bookmarked by 3 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: teflynet</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-247455</link>
		<dc:creator>teflynet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;veoh seems to flop according to the infos on alleyinsider.com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>veoh seems to flop according to the infos on alleyinsider.com</p>
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		<title>By: HipMojo.com &#187; New Media Madness: Valleywag, Veoh and Web Entrepreneurs</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-247452</link>
		<dc:creator>HipMojo.com &#187; New Media Madness: Valleywag, Veoh and Web Entrepreneurs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] The main reason why I wanted to chime in on this isn&#8217;t even the bitching on the comments section, it&#8217;s that Newteevee mentions: &#8220;Veoh dumped its original video programming&#8220;. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The main reason why I wanted to chime in on this isn&#8217;t even the bitching on the comments section, it&#8217;s that Newteevee mentions: &#8220;Veoh dumped its original video programming&#8220;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seesmic Lays Off Three &#124; TechDomo</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-245523</link>
		<dc:creator>Seesmic Lays Off Three &#124; TechDomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] company now has 20 employees. When asked to explain the layoffs, Le Meur referred to a post of ours about portals having trouble with making original content. He said the costs of making shows lead [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] company now has 20 employees. When asked to explain the layoffs, Le Meur referred to a post of ours about portals having trouble with making original content. He said the costs of making shows lead [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seesmic Lays Off Three [NewTeeVee - Start-Up News] &#124; Internet Startups</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-245303</link>
		<dc:creator>Seesmic Lays Off Three [NewTeeVee - Start-Up News] &#124; Internet Startups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] company now has 20 employees. When asked to explain the layoffs, Le Meur referred to a post of ours about portals having trouble with making original content. He said the costs of making shows lead [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] company now has 20 employees. When asked to explain the layoffs, Le Meur referred to a post of ours about portals having trouble with making original content. He said the costs of making shows lead [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seesmic Lays Off Three &#171; NewTeeVee</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-245302</link>
		<dc:creator>Seesmic Lays Off Three &#171; NewTeeVee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] company now has 20 employees. When asked to explain the layoffs, Le Meur referred to a post of ours about portals having trouble with making original content. He said the costs of making shows lead [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] company now has 20 employees. When asked to explain the layoffs, Le Meur referred to a post of ours about portals having trouble with making original content. He said the costs of making shows lead [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cammack</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-240472</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cammack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m a fan of Sunny&#039;s work on &quot;Viral&quot;, and I&#039;ve watched a bunch of her episodes.  I think portals should produce their own content IF they have something to say.  If they don&#039;t, then I agree with Charles that it&#039;s a waste of time and money.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The company itself would have to have something to say, not the on-air talent.  If there&#039;s no message the portal wants to get across and nothing that they want the public to know about their company, there&#039;s no point.  There&#039;s no more &quot;Tecnhorati Buzz&quot;.  There&#039;s no more &quot;The 9&quot;.  As far as I know, there never WAS a YouTube show.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It also depends on whether the portal is a back-end video host or a destination site.  If you&#039;re a destination, you may have some relationship to your community that would cause them to see your show as a credible, reliable curator of what&#039;s worth watching.  If there&#039;s no community to speak of, you really can&#039;t count on getting lots of views, other than the views driven to your show by the content creators that you&#039;re showcasing... and those aren&#039;t YOUR fans anyway... they&#039;re THEIR fans.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, my suggestion to portals that are thinking about making shows is to stay focused on the point they&#039;re trying to get across and leave the entertainment to entertainers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a fan of Sunny&#8217;s work on &#8220;Viral&#8221;, and I&#8217;ve watched a bunch of her episodes.  I think portals should produce their own content IF they have something to say.  If they don&#8217;t, then I agree with Charles that it&#8217;s a waste of time and money.</p>
<p>The company itself would have to have something to say, not the on-air talent.  If there&#8217;s no message the portal wants to get across and nothing that they want the public to know about their company, there&#8217;s no point.  There&#8217;s no more &#8220;Tecnhorati Buzz&#8221;.  There&#8217;s no more &#8220;The 9&#8243;.  As far as I know, there never WAS a YouTube show.</p>
<p>It also depends on whether the portal is a back-end video host or a destination site.  If you&#8217;re a destination, you may have some relationship to your community that would cause them to see your show as a credible, reliable curator of what&#8217;s worth watching.  If there&#8217;s no community to speak of, you really can&#8217;t count on getting lots of views, other than the views driven to your show by the content creators that you&#8217;re showcasing&#8230; and those aren&#8217;t YOUR fans anyway&#8230; they&#8217;re THEIR fans.</p>
<p>Anyway, my suggestion to portals that are thinking about making shows is to stay focused on the point they&#8217;re trying to get across and leave the entertainment to entertainers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Gault</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-240449</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Gault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for writing this article, Liz.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When we first started Viral, it was a challenge to find quality shows to feature. Fortunately, as time went by, overall production quality improved and now, we have professional content being created specifically for broadband and mobile devices.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our challenge now is developing a way to discover all this great talent. The internet provides an infinite amount of programming, but what good is that programming if no one can find it? Algorithms and complex mathematical formulas may help in the process, but at the end of the day, we all want a familiar face to help guide the way- and that&#039;s why we created Viral.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It was really fun while it lasted, and I still believe it&#039;s a great formula to helping people discover great internet content. I also encourage other internet companies to consider original programming as a way to connect with their audiences.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We&#039;re definitely on to something here....&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this article, Liz.</p>
<p>When we first started Viral, it was a challenge to find quality shows to feature. Fortunately, as time went by, overall production quality improved and now, we have professional content being created specifically for broadband and mobile devices.</p>
<p>Our challenge now is developing a way to discover all this great talent. The internet provides an infinite amount of programming, but what good is that programming if no one can find it? Algorithms and complex mathematical formulas may help in the process, but at the end of the day, we all want a familiar face to help guide the way- and that&#8217;s why we created Viral.</p>
<p>It was really fun while it lasted, and I still believe it&#8217;s a great formula to helping people discover great internet content. I also encourage other internet companies to consider original programming as a way to connect with their audiences.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re definitely on to something here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nalts</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-240401</link>
		<dc:creator>Nalts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sunny looks like a really nice person, but I can&#039;t say I&#039;ve watched many of these. Same with Felicia&#039;s series on TheDailyReel.com. Not sure these make sense even for someone like me that lives in online video (and there aren&#039;t enough of us to warrant a regular show). I&#039;ve struggled with similar initiatives like the Metacafe Unfiltered show I&#039;ve hosted. And my Bubble Gum Tree show. I&#039;m not sure a web show about web shows makes any more sense than a TV show about television shows. Something more niche and entertaining and shorter, maybe?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny looks like a really nice person, but I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve watched many of these. Same with Felicia&#8217;s series on TheDailyReel.com. Not sure these make sense even for someone like me that lives in online video (and there aren&#8217;t enough of us to warrant a regular show). I&#8217;ve struggled with similar initiatives like the Metacafe Unfiltered show I&#8217;ve hosted. And my Bubble Gum Tree show. I&#8217;m not sure a web show about web shows makes any more sense than a TV show about television shows. Something more niche and entertaining and shorter, maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Loic</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-240387</link>
		<dc:creator>Loic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello Liz. You are asking a great question here, but I do not think that you should compare my daily show to a &quot;production&quot; it has just been for me a way to share with my community and was very successful as we reached 1 million views youtube+blip combined. The reason why we stopped is because I needed a break from having &quot;reported&quot; every single day since last september, to come back in a new form next september. The experience has been a real success.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Liz. You are asking a great question here, but I do not think that you should compare my daily show to a &#8220;production&#8221; it has just been for me a way to share with my community and was very successful as we reached 1 million views youtube+blip combined. The reason why we stopped is because I needed a break from having &#8220;reported&#8221; every single day since last september, to come back in a new form next september. The experience has been a real success.</p>
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		<title>By: mikecane</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-240379</link>
		<dc:creator>mikecane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love Veoh.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I use Veoh.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Veoh had a frikkin SERIES?!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Veoh doesn&#039;t know how to advertise itself -- to its own users!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Veoh.</p>
<p>I use Veoh.</p>
<p>Veoh had a frikkin SERIES?!</p>
<p>Veoh doesn&#8217;t know how to advertise itself &#8212; to its own users!</p>
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		<title>By: charles baker</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/01/veoh-quits-viral-should-portals-make-content/#comment-240375</link>
		<dc:creator>charles baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with Joel, the &quot;build it and they will come&quot; approach does not work for web video content.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In general, I think it is a waste of time for portals to create their own content. There have been plenty of unsuccessful series that prove that this is the case. The portals need to spend their time developing a better user experience, as well as finding the &quot;right&quot; content via licensing deals and the programming/scheduling strategies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its no surprise that the Viral show was not successful on Veoh. A quick review of the popular content on Veoh shows that the majority of the user engagement comes from anime fans who like to upload. ;) (They were probably aware of this when they negotiated the deal with Divx to push all the Stage9 traffic to Veoh once Stage9 was closed down.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It will be interesting to see how web series, whose goal is to be sold into the broadcast arena, will develop strategies to engage a broad fan base so that the success of the series is not dependent on the programming strategies used by the portals. (although having those relationships in place is very helpful)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-/ Charles&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Joel, the &#8220;build it and they will come&#8221; approach does not work for web video content.</p>
<p>In general, I think it is a waste of time for portals to create their own content. There have been plenty of unsuccessful series that prove that this is the case. The portals need to spend their time developing a better user experience, as well as finding the &#8220;right&#8221; content via licensing deals and the programming/scheduling strategies.</p>
<p>Its no surprise that the Viral show was not successful on Veoh. A quick review of the popular content on Veoh shows that the majority of the user engagement comes from anime fans who like to upload. ;) (They were probably aware of this when they negotiated the deal with Divx to push all the Stage9 traffic to Veoh once Stage9 was closed down.)</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how web series, whose goal is to be sold into the broadcast arena, will develop strategies to engage a broad fan base so that the success of the series is not dependent on the programming strategies used by the portals. (although having those relationships in place is very helpful)</p>
<p>-/ Charles</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Liz:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My view is that VEOH really has to make a decision about what it can do differently from YouTube.  They have huge capital and some audience traction, but it is very unclear to those of us watching from afar how they will be different.  I know why I should go to Hulu, but I don&#039;t know why I should go to VEOH.  Veoh is not a part of my life and ultimately I don&#039;t really know why it&#039;s a part of anybody&#039;s life.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is not to say VEOH doesn&#039;t have good qualities, but it is to say that they are most famous for raising capital and fighting litigation than most other things.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz:</p>
<p>My view is that VEOH really has to make a decision about what it can do differently from YouTube.  They have huge capital and some audience traction, but it is very unclear to those of us watching from afar how they will be different.  I know why I should go to Hulu, but I don&#8217;t know why I should go to VEOH.  Veoh is not a part of my life and ultimately I don&#8217;t really know why it&#8217;s a part of anybody&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>This is not to say VEOH doesn&#8217;t have good qualities, but it is to say that they are most famous for raising capital and fighting litigation than most other things.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All these &quot;new media&quot; productions have to come to the realization that you have to do promotion, even popular shows need promotion. There&#039;s a reason some of the most popular traditional TV shows on the big networks still get promotional spots throughout the week. The build it and they will come approach is not realistic. Portals should produce original content but not with the expectation that promotion is a bad thing, not every production will be a cult classic that spreads viral throughout the web.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these &#8220;new media&#8221; productions have to come to the realization that you have to do promotion, even popular shows need promotion. There&#8217;s a reason some of the most popular traditional TV shows on the big networks still get promotional spots throughout the week. The build it and they will come approach is not realistic. Portals should produce original content but not with the expectation that promotion is a bad thing, not every production will be a cult classic that spreads viral throughout the web.</p>
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