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		<title>By: Huh?</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241489</link>
		<dc:creator>Huh?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How does Sarah getting paid for using a streaming service on a show about celebrity compare to Amanda Cogdon working for a news organization while doing faux-news stories for a chemical company?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The two situations just aren&#039;t analogous.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The issues is not that you&#039;re denying or hiding something. It&#039;s just that your logic seems... well, illogical.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does Sarah getting paid for using a streaming service on a show about celebrity compare to Amanda Cogdon working for a news organization while doing faux-news stories for a chemical company?</p>
<p>The two situations just aren&#8217;t analogous.</p>
<p>The issues is not that you&#8217;re denying or hiding something. It&#8217;s just that your logic seems&#8230; well, illogical.</p>
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		<title>By: Enric</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241449</link>
		<dc:creator>Enric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds like a tempest in a teapot.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a tempest in a teapot.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241445</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I doubt any of this was staged, Shelley.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll beat a dead horse and then I&#039;ll let this go.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This type of coverage seems very &quot;tabloid&quot; to me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These are difficult economic times for even the most stable of industries, let alone our fledgling online video industry.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is enormously difficult to start something, fund it, risk time and money, and obtain sponsorship.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I had to leave LiveStock - a promising Mogulus show I produced - because of the dismal prospect of ever seeing a return on my investment.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When someone does get sponsorship, we should see this as a good sign - not attack it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How are we going to be able to work in online video if we discourgae the very kind of sponsorship we need?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s work together on our ecosystem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chuck Boyce
shameless plug:  www.chuckboycesolutions.net&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt any of this was staged, Shelley.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll beat a dead horse and then I&#8217;ll let this go.</p>
<p>This type of coverage seems very &#8220;tabloid&#8221; to me.</p>
<p>These are difficult economic times for even the most stable of industries, let alone our fledgling online video industry.</p>
<p>It is enormously difficult to start something, fund it, risk time and money, and obtain sponsorship.</p>
<p>I had to leave LiveStock &#8211; a promising Mogulus show I produced &#8211; because of the dismal prospect of ever seeing a return on my investment.</p>
<p>When someone does get sponsorship, we should see this as a good sign &#8211; not attack it.</p>
<p>How are we going to be able to work in online video if we discourgae the very kind of sponsorship we need?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s work together on our ecosystem.</p>
<p>Chuck Boyce<br />
shameless plug:  <a href="http://www.chuckboycesolutions.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.chuckboycesolutions.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241439</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bet you dollars to donuts that most of this event was &quot;staged&quot; to generate attention.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bet you dollars to donuts that most of this event was &#8220;staged&#8221; to generate attention.</p>
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		<title>By: sg95m476</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241417</link>
		<dc:creator>sg95m476</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Matt, I&#039;ll regret if I need to stop reading NTV, because believe me Om is one of my heroes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How much money can we possibly be talking about here that Sarah&#039;s recieving?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I bet it&#039;s not as much as some dinner&#039;s I have paid for me by IT vendors back when I was a &quot;internationally recognized database expert&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does a vlogger have to mention every single partnership, meal, t-shirt, backpack?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Go ahead and make a big fuss about this if you want, but it&#039;s a distraction and it hurts a field that can&#039;t even pay its practitioners enough to cover their expenses let alone their rents.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I&#8217;ll regret if I need to stop reading NTV, because believe me Om is one of my heroes.</p>
<p>How much money can we possibly be talking about here that Sarah&#8217;s recieving?</p>
<p>I bet it&#8217;s not as much as some dinner&#8217;s I have paid for me by IT vendors back when I was a &#8220;internationally recognized database expert&#8221;.</p>
<p>Does a vlogger have to mention every single partnership, meal, t-shirt, backpack?</p>
<p>Go ahead and make a big fuss about this if you want, but it&#8217;s a distraction and it hurts a field that can&#8217;t even pay its practitioners enough to cover their expenses let alone their rents.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt K</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241414</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chuck, I think the issue, as made clear in the post, is Sarah&#039;s complete lack of disclosure. What is the ethical argument for that?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, I think the issue, as made clear in the post, is Sarah&#8217;s complete lack of disclosure. What is the ethical argument for that?</p>
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		<title>By: sg95m476</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241412</link>
		<dc:creator>sg95m476</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t take issue with writing about this, Chris.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I disagree with your characterization of the situation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is nothing unethical about someone in a VERY tough field (if you even want to call it that) in a city with $2500 a month rents accepting sponsorship.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Where is the &quot;ethical fix&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chuck&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t take issue with writing about this, Chris.</p>
<p>I disagree with your characterization of the situation.</p>
<p>There is nothing unethical about someone in a VERY tough field (if you even want to call it that) in a city with $2500 a month rents accepting sponsorship.</p>
<p>Where is the &#8220;ethical fix&#8221;?</p>
<p>Chuck</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Albrecht</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241411</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Albrecht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Chuck,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your thoughtful comments, but I&#039;d have to disagree. We have written countless posts on independent producers coming up with creative ways to make money. But in this instance, this question over ethics was already playing out in public and raised an interesting question. I think to deny or hide that would have been a disservice to our readers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chuck,</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comments, but I&#8217;d have to disagree. We have written countless posts on independent producers coming up with creative ways to make money. But in this instance, this question over ethics was already playing out in public and raised an interesting question. I think to deny or hide that would have been a disservice to our readers.</p>
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		<title>By: sg95m476</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241409</link>
		<dc:creator>sg95m476</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chris,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I love NTV on Om without exception, but this story just isn&#039;t helpful to our &quot;industry&quot;.  Sarah found someone to partner and support her.  NTV should write a story about how that is good - not an &quot;ethical fix&quot;.  If you want to cover ethics, why don&#039;t you turn your focus to the people trying to &quot;work&quot; in this industry who are being exploited.  That&#039;s an ethical fix.  Here&#039;s a good place to start your research:  http://newyork.craigslist.org/tfr/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chuck Boyce
chuckboycesolutions.net
2008 Microsoft Digital Media MVP&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I love NTV on Om without exception, but this story just isn&#8217;t helpful to our &#8220;industry&#8221;.  Sarah found someone to partner and support her.  NTV should write a story about how that is good &#8211; not an &#8220;ethical fix&#8221;.  If you want to cover ethics, why don&#8217;t you turn your focus to the people trying to &#8220;work&#8221; in this industry who are being exploited.  That&#8217;s an ethical fix.  Here&#8217;s a good place to start your research:  <a href="http://newyork.craigslist.org/tfr/" rel="nofollow">http://newyork.craigslist.org/tfr/</a></p>
<p>Chuck Boyce<br />
chuckboycesolutions.net<br />
2008 Microsoft Digital Media MVP</p>
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		<title>By: Dameon Welch-Abernathy</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241403</link>
		<dc:creator>Dameon Welch-Abernathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anyone who knows me knows I am fairly big on disclosure. Based on what I’ve read, though, it’s not clear to me Sarah Austin is violating any ethical standards here, though it is a gray area. If it were me, I’d disclose.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If she’s badmouthing the other services and she’s getting paid by Flixwagon, then yes, that’s a clear conflict of interest and it should be disclosed immediately.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course now that your secret is out, Sarah, I recommend you embrace it. Even make fun of it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who knows me knows I am fairly big on disclosure. Based on what I’ve read, though, it’s not clear to me Sarah Austin is violating any ethical standards here, though it is a gray area. If it were me, I’d disclose.</p>
<p>If she’s badmouthing the other services and she’s getting paid by Flixwagon, then yes, that’s a clear conflict of interest and it should be disclosed immediately.</p>
<p>Of course now that your secret is out, Sarah, I recommend you embrace it. Even make fun of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Haot @ Mogulus</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241393</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Haot @ Mogulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks like a heated debate :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To clarify, Mogulus, as a policy does not pay users to use Mogulus - including Sarah.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For full disclosure, we have a studio in our New York office which we make available to any serious producer in the New York area at no charge - Sarah as well as others produce their shows from there. We also offer promo banners to these producers on our website.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We think Sarah&#039;s show is a terrific use of our platform - and we thank her for using Mogulus as her live platform and for her useful feedback which helps us in our product development.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a heated debate :)</p>
<p>To clarify, Mogulus, as a policy does not pay users to use Mogulus &#8211; including Sarah.</p>
<p>For full disclosure, we have a studio in our New York office which we make available to any serious producer in the New York area at no charge &#8211; Sarah as well as others produce their shows from there. We also offer promo banners to these producers on our website.</p>
<p>We think Sarah&#8217;s show is a terrific use of our platform &#8211; and we thank her for using Mogulus as her live platform and for her useful feedback which helps us in our product development.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Phelan</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241385</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Phelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for link Chris
As you can see some people just don&#039;t get transparency. I will continue to review this phenomenon of paid to post &quot;evangelists&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for link Chris<br />
As you can see some people just don&#8217;t get transparency. I will continue to review this phenomenon of paid to post &#8220;evangelists&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bhaskar @ Qik</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241384</link>
		<dc:creator>Bhaskar @ Qik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just to clarify, even though we were approached by Sarah - as a policy we don&#039;t pay our users to use Qik.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, even though we were approached by Sarah &#8211; as a policy we don&#8217;t pay our users to use Qik.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Austin</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/07/18/pop17-gets-in-an-ethical-flixwagon-fix/#comment-241382</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Chris, looks like I just missed you on your post. Unfortunately I cant disclose the terms of our deal due to our NDA thats typical with anyone, but I can say that for sure, without a doubt, I&#039;m under no obligation to say nice things or even say anything at all about Flixwagon. That&#039;s got nothing to do with this deal. I could write a blog post that slammed them into the ground if I really felt that way and that would be just fine. I also have several other consulting jobs, a variety of sponsorships and some other unusual but related opportunities that have come out of Pop17 but so far, Im still completely free to speak my mind and plan to continue to do so. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, looks like I just missed you on your post. Unfortunately I cant disclose the terms of our deal due to our NDA thats typical with anyone, but I can say that for sure, without a doubt, I&#8217;m under no obligation to say nice things or even say anything at all about Flixwagon. That&#8217;s got nothing to do with this deal. I could write a blog post that slammed them into the ground if I really felt that way and that would be just fine. I also have several other consulting jobs, a variety of sponsorships and some other unusual but related opportunities that have come out of Pop17 but so far, Im still completely free to speak my mind and plan to continue to do so. :)</p>
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