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		<title>By: New York Times and Web Shows &#171; Asmedia</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/08/25/yes-virginia-there-are-good-web-series/#comment-244541</link>
		<dc:creator>New York Times and Web Shows &#171; Asmedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] These articles come a week after Viriginia Heffernan&#8217;s piece in The New York Times Magazine entitled, &#8220;Serial Killers,&#8221; was blasted by commenters, Tilzy.Tv, and NewTeeVee. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] These articles come a week after Viriginia Heffernan&#8217;s piece in The New York Times Magazine entitled, &#8220;Serial Killers,&#8221; was blasted by commenters, Tilzy.Tv, and NewTeeVee. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dheidland</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/08/25/yes-virginia-there-are-good-web-series/#comment-244408</link>
		<dc:creator>Dheidland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While these new web series are something to put faith in we are still seeking traditional broadcasting corporate culture driving failure.  I examine this in detail reviewing NBC&#039;s bungled Gemini Division ARG launch this week.  For the full article visit www.primetimeforchange.com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While these new web series are something to put faith in we are still seeking traditional broadcasting corporate culture driving failure.  I examine this in detail reviewing NBC&#8217;s bungled Gemini Division ARG launch this week.  For the full article visit <a href="http://www.primetimeforchange.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.primetimeforchange.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drawn By Pain Comes to A Close - NewTeeVee Station</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drawn By Pain Comes to A Close - NewTeeVee Station</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Webby win (for Best Use of Animation/Motion Graphics). But it&#8217;s yet another example of why Virginia Heffernan&#8217;s loss of faith in quality web series is completely off-base &#8212; a uniquely told, dark and intimate story that would never have gotten a foothold in [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Webby win (for Best Use of Animation/Motion Graphics). But it&#8217;s yet another example of why Virginia Heffernan&#8217;s loss of faith in quality web series is completely off-base &#8212; a uniquely told, dark and intimate story that would never have gotten a foothold in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ASM Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NYT looks out of touch re: web series</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/08/25/yes-virginia-there-are-good-web-series/#comment-244232</link>
		<dc:creator>ASM Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NYT looks out of touch re: web series</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Chris Albrecht over at NewTeeVee finishes the job, though I&#8217;m not sure I agree with his take on 3-to-5 minute episodes not sticking because they&#8217;re too long for quick viral-style closure but too short for TV sitcom/drama-style schedule annexation. I&#8217;d argue that, as fully developed pieces of a larger entity that can be snacked on or devoured whole [shown by the way people are watching Dorm Life on Hulu] they&#8217;re the ultimate engagement weapon. Just wait till distributors, brands and producers figure out how to market these things. Right now they&#8217;re still being handled like &#8220;online TV-like shows,&#8221; as the NYT share-module  headline awkwardly calls them. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris Albrecht over at NewTeeVee finishes the job, though I&#8217;m not sure I agree with his take on 3-to-5 minute episodes not sticking because they&#8217;re too long for quick viral-style closure but too short for TV sitcom/drama-style schedule annexation. I&#8217;d argue that, as fully developed pieces of a larger entity that can be snacked on or devoured whole [shown by the way people are watching Dorm Life on Hulu] they&#8217;re the ultimate engagement weapon. Just wait till distributors, brands and producers figure out how to market these things. Right now they&#8217;re still being handled like &#8220;online TV-like shows,&#8221; as the NYT share-module  headline awkwardly calls them. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CLouds Without Water</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/08/25/yes-virginia-there-are-good-web-series/#comment-244197</link>
		<dc:creator>CLouds Without Water</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From that last paragraph it sounds like Hefferman is a regular reader of F:F:F&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From that last paragraph it sounds like Hefferman is a regular reader of F:F:F</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Welds</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/08/25/yes-virginia-there-are-good-web-series/#comment-244192</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Welds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are NOT a lot of good web series, Virginia was right that since Satacracy 88, nothing really has popped online as original.  I haven&#039;t been impressed with anything since 2007&#039;s year of 88, Prom Queen and Goodnight Burbank.  Nothing since then has made an effort, and I personally don&#039;t see anything trying now or in 2008 at all.  Good luck web producers, you have your work cut out for you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are NOT a lot of good web series, Virginia was right that since Satacracy 88, nothing really has popped online as original.  I haven&#8217;t been impressed with anything since 2007&#8217;s year of 88, Prom Queen and Goodnight Burbank.  Nothing since then has made an effort, and I personally don&#8217;t see anything trying now or in 2008 at all.  Good luck web producers, you have your work cut out for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Canty</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/08/25/yes-virginia-there-are-good-web-series/#comment-244163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Canty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with the general tenor of the criticism--the article was poorly argued; there was no real attempt at categorizing new models or defining the differences between the types of video she was discussing; she got some basic facts wrong, etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I also agree with Tim that there is a fairly massive general audience that doesn&#039;t know about or can&#039;t find new shows as they launch.  Whether VH&#039;s arguments or solid or not, the fact that she is making at all them is a bit of a canary in the coal mine.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The worst case scenario is that the massive wave of talent that is currently producing for the web exhausts itself before enough of them can make enough to pay their rent, and we lose their creativity to some other endeavor.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the general tenor of the criticism&#8211;the article was poorly argued; there was no real attempt at categorizing new models or defining the differences between the types of video she was discussing; she got some basic facts wrong, etc.</p>
<p>But I also agree with Tim that there is a fairly massive general audience that doesn&#8217;t know about or can&#8217;t find new shows as they launch.  Whether VH&#8217;s arguments or solid or not, the fact that she is making at all them is a bit of a canary in the coal mine.</p>
<p>The worst case scenario is that the massive wave of talent that is currently producing for the web exhausts itself before enough of them can make enough to pay their rent, and we lose their creativity to some other endeavor.</p>
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		<title>By: Could Rocketboom Blow Up What&#8217;s Left of John Edwards? at Deceiver.com</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/08/25/yes-virginia-there-are-good-web-series/#comment-244155</link>
		<dc:creator>Could Rocketboom Blow Up What&#8217;s Left of John Edwards? at Deceiver.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] NewTeeVee analyzes Virginia Heffernan&#8217;s analysis of web video series, using Rielle&#8217;s dopey campaign videos as Exhibit A. (I refuse to link directly to the NYT until they admit they stole from us. That is to say, never.) And over at the LA Times, Bradley W. Bloch has an opinion piece about how the Edwards scandal relates to social networking. It&#8217;s funny how quickly these newspapers flip-flopped from &#8220;It&#8217;s not news&#8221; to &#8220;Let&#8217;s find any excuse whatsoever to mention it.&#8221;                    /*  */ [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NewTeeVee analyzes Virginia Heffernan&#8217;s analysis of web video series, using Rielle&#8217;s dopey campaign videos as Exhibit A. (I refuse to link directly to the NYT until they admit they stole from us. That is to say, never.) And over at the LA Times, Bradley W. Bloch has an opinion piece about how the Edwards scandal relates to social networking. It&#8217;s funny how quickly these newspapers flip-flopped from &#8220;It&#8217;s not news&#8221; to &#8220;Let&#8217;s find any excuse whatsoever to mention it.&#8221;                    /*  */ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Video Marketing &#187; Another Olympics Gold Medalist: Banned Chinese Sect Falun Gong - Alleyinsider.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Video Marketing &#187; Another Olympics Gold Medalist: Banned Chinese Sect Falun Gong - Alleyinsider.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Yes, Virginia, There Are Good Web Series - Newteevee.comVirginia Heffernan, the normally-astute media writer for the New York Times, wrote a bewildering piece that appeared in the paper’s magazine on Sunday. “Serial Killers” took web video series to task, albeit in a pretty confusing manner. My main [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yes, Virginia, There Are Good Web Series &#8211; Newteevee.comVirginia Heffernan, the normally-astute media writer for the New York Times, wrote a bewildering piece that appeared in the paper’s magazine on Sunday. “Serial Killers” took web video series to task, albeit in a pretty confusing manner. My main [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lot of good internet series.  Has anyone checked out The League at www.theleaguetv.com?  To the point of the above article, it exceeds the 3 - 5 minute length rule of most successful web series, but it is engaging, funny, and well done.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot of good internet series.  Has anyone checked out The League at <a href="http://www.theleaguetv.com?" rel="nofollow">http://www.theleaguetv.com?</a>  To the point of the above article, it exceeds the 3 &#8211; 5 minute length rule of most successful web series, but it is engaging, funny, and well done.</p>
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		<title>By: On GigaNET This AM: Joe Biden, Conviva &#38; Outside Lands - GigaOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>On GigaNET This AM: Joe Biden, Conviva &#38; Outside Lands - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] NewTeeVee: Yes Virginia there are good web series. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Tim Street</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/08/25/yes-virginia-there-are-good-web-series/#comment-244145</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately Virginia Heffernan is right. If that&#039;s the way she sees things then that&#039;s the way they are to the rest of the world or worst.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We live in an online video bubble and we need to change the way people like Virginia Heffernan think and they way they discover our shows.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If she hasn&#039;t heard of shows like Prom Queen, Abigail&#039;s Teen Diaries or The Guild then we along with Mr. Michael Eisner have failed to launch.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People outside our echo chamber have heard of YouTube but they haven&#039;t discovered story based Internet shows yet and it&#039;s our task to not just preach to the choir but to find new ways of promoting our shows in traditional media and at live events that will convert them to the truth the way and the light of online video.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;40 Million plus homes in the US might have broadband but are they using it to watch emotionally engaging content that we create?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My guess is, not yet.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately Virginia Heffernan is right. If that&#8217;s the way she sees things then that&#8217;s the way they are to the rest of the world or worst.</p>
<p>We live in an online video bubble and we need to change the way people like Virginia Heffernan think and they way they discover our shows.</p>
<p>If she hasn&#8217;t heard of shows like Prom Queen, Abigail&#8217;s Teen Diaries or The Guild then we along with Mr. Michael Eisner have failed to launch.</p>
<p>People outside our echo chamber have heard of YouTube but they haven&#8217;t discovered story based Internet shows yet and it&#8217;s our task to not just preach to the choir but to find new ways of promoting our shows in traditional media and at live events that will convert them to the truth the way and the light of online video.</p>
<p>40 Million plus homes in the US might have broadband but are they using it to watch emotionally engaging content that we create?</p>
<p>My guess is, not yet.</p>
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		<title>By: milowent</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/08/25/yes-virginia-there-are-good-web-series/#comment-244140</link>
		<dc:creator>milowent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To Virginia Heffernan, Rielle Hunter and Marshall Herskovitz CAN be classified together.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Her main point: &quot;one day, another serial — not called a serial, maybe, and certainly not webisodes — will exploit the eccentricity of the virals and manage to make new and serious jokes about the truth-illusion-truth-illusion of cinéma vérité, which is what “lonelygirl15” once did.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;she thinks this will be what is successful.  i don&#039;t know.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;its perhaps a difficult article to understand mostly because she is viewing the whole web series world thru a very different lens than most who are writing about it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;she knows much about many things, and maybe less about a few facts here and there, but her insights are usually worthwhile.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;she asks, &quot;Are there really any hit Web serials?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;its a good question.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Virginia Heffernan, Rielle Hunter and Marshall Herskovitz CAN be classified together.</p>
<p>Her main point: &#8220;one day, another serial — not called a serial, maybe, and certainly not webisodes — will exploit the eccentricity of the virals and manage to make new and serious jokes about the truth-illusion-truth-illusion of cinéma vérité, which is what “lonelygirl15” once did.&#8221;</p>
<p>she thinks this will be what is successful.  i don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>its perhaps a difficult article to understand mostly because she is viewing the whole web series world thru a very different lens than most who are writing about it.</p>
<p>she knows much about many things, and maybe less about a few facts here and there, but her insights are usually worthwhile.</p>
<p>she asks, &#8220;Are there really any hit Web serials?&#8221;</p>
<p>its a good question.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McCaleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McCaleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can think of a few other webseries she might have left out...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Chuck Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;For such a savvy reporter, Herffernan seems woefully out of date&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The irony of Old Media &quot;reporting&quot; on New Media is that often they&#039;re the least qualified to do so.  I&#039;ve seen similar Old Media coverage where the reporter will pose as someone &quot;in the know&quot; so he/she can let the masses in on what&#039;s going on in New Media - but the truth of the matter is far more likely to be that the audience is probably just as knowledgeable if not more so than the reporter.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Emperor has no twitter account (or at least doesn&#039;t use it).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For such a savvy reporter, Herffernan seems woefully out of date&#8221;</p>
<p>The irony of Old Media &#8220;reporting&#8221; on New Media is that often they&#8217;re the least qualified to do so.  I&#8217;ve seen similar Old Media coverage where the reporter will pose as someone &#8220;in the know&#8221; so he/she can let the masses in on what&#8217;s going on in New Media &#8211; but the truth of the matter is far more likely to be that the audience is probably just as knowledgeable if not more so than the reporter.</p>
<p>The Emperor has no twitter account (or at least doesn&#8217;t use it).</p>
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