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	<title>Comments on: The New Joost: Like Hulu, But Social</title>
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		<title>By: New Joost sanctioned player by Paul Yanez : JoostTeam</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-261368</link>
		<dc:creator>New Joost sanctioned player by Paul Yanez : JoostTeam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] painful than using the original Joost software ever was. But in a twist away from Joost’s recent social strategy, Joost Media Player doesn’t even include the user accounts and newsfeed-oriented social viewing [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] painful than using the original Joost software ever was. But in a twist away from Joost’s recent social strategy, Joost Media Player doesn’t even include the user accounts and newsfeed-oriented social viewing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joost Boldly Goes Where Hulu Wouldn&#8217;t</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-261358</link>
		<dc:creator>Joost Boldly Goes Where Hulu Wouldn&#8217;t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] than using the original Joost software ever was. But in a twist away from Joost&#8217;s recent social strategy, Joost Media Player doesn&#8217;t even include the user accounts and newsfeed-oriented social [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] than using the original Joost software ever was. But in a twist away from Joost&#8217;s recent social strategy, Joost Media Player doesn&#8217;t even include the user accounts and newsfeed-oriented social [...]</p>
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		<title>By: briceenegilia</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-256355</link>
		<dc:creator>briceenegilia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;продам Форд-Фокус  2008 года    за 200 тр.   торг возможет.  срочно!!!
+7 960 200 9209&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>продам Форд-Фокус  2008 года    за 200 тр.   торг возможет.  срочно!!!<br />
+7 960 200 9209</p>
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		<title>By: Richard van den Boogaard</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-253414</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard van den Boogaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;6 months later - and where is Joost today? Check out their performance on Alexa: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/joost.com and compare it to mtv.com or hulu.com.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Joost used to have a strategy of targeting the fat belly of content (in the midst between the head and the long tail). Seems to me that it&#039;s become more tail than belly...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6 months later &#8211; and where is Joost today? Check out their performance on Alexa: <a href="http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/joost.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/joost.com</a> and compare it to mtv.com or hulu.com.</p>
<p>Joost used to have a strategy of targeting the fat belly of content (in the midst between the head and the long tail). Seems to me that it&#8217;s become more tail than belly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hot hatches</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-245974</link>
		<dc:creator>hot hatches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;looks good&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Joost&#8217;s letzte Chance &#171; Kassenzone - Commerce, Mobile, Technologie</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244839</link>
		<dc:creator>Joost&#8217;s letzte Chance &#171; Kassenzone - Commerce, Mobile, Technologie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] unter: Allgemein, Strategie, Technologie &#8212; Florian Hermsdorf @ 1:40   Wie bereits von mehreren Blogs aufgedeckt berichtet wurde, wird Joost demnächst nicht mehr auf eine eigene Softwarelösung [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Joost finally discovers the browser &#124;</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244759</link>
		<dc:creator>Joost finally discovers the browser &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] technologies. The web client is likely to have better quality than average video sites. (Update: Liz has an indepth review of the upcoming service along with [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: P2P online video service Joost abandons desktop client &#187; Download Movies 101</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244751</link>
		<dc:creator>P2P online video service Joost abandons desktop client &#187; Download Movies 101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Liz Gannes got past the pre-beta password protection and posted an early review of the browser-based Joost. The influence of social media plays into the picture &#8212; Gannes reports that the home page has [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Hendrik Rood</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244742</link>
		<dc:creator>Hendrik Rood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Sam_K 
Joost is indeed a P2P program and it also supports livestreaming P2P.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It effectively works as follows:
When you view a program, small encrypted packets of videocontent are called to your client (locally installed now, part of a browser plug-in in the new version) from other computers and some caching relay servers that are installed around the world.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The videopackets you view are cached on your local harddrive in a &quot;heap&quot;. If there is demand from other viewers roughly in your network neighbourhood (Joost operates some P2P algorithms that avoids to call in packets from a machine at the other side of the globe) you send packets out too.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With my Joost client the cached heap went up to about 1 GB, but then seemed to operate in a FIFO mode (the heap did not grow further in size).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The advantage of P2P is in particular during mass events with live streams, like the opening of the Olympic games. In that case many people look at the same content, so the packets are in many heaps and load on central servers can be kept down  to a few. This contrasts with non-P2P streaming, where in such cases central server loads go up to hundreds of thousands of parallel streams.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When you have a sufficiently broad Internet Access pipe and the (encrypted) packets are reasonably small (e.g. the Ethernet MTU packet size of 1500 bytes), livestream delays are acceptable. For a 500 kbit/s / 60 kByte/s videostream you&#039;ll receive about 40 packets per second of 1500 bytes. So there is quite some &quot;wiggle room&quot; for a P2P distribution with at most a 1 to 2 second delay, considering that with 32 P2P-splits you&#039;ll could reach 4 billion devices. That is a number that is far larger than the current Internet host count and equals the current human population in possession of a (mobile) phone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Considering that the largest livestreaming events around the world are viewed by near 2 billion people (Olympic ceremonies, Soccer world championship finals etc.) a P2P approach is the most logical and efficient route to go.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As could be glanced from the Beijing Olympics, where the Chinese supplied livestreams via PPlive (also P2P), the current largest viewer bases are nearing the 1 million (still a 2^10 scale down from the ultimate global viewer base to be expected in an all digital TV over IP distribution environment).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Companies active on the Internet attempt to outrun the more &quot;classic&quot; approach of IPTV, which requires operator control over IP Multicast routing and strict bandwidth guarantees, while a P2P approach with local cache buffers is a bit more tolerant of  bandwidth variation at the cost of some delay.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There has been some math done in the past on the total amount of professional TV content, viewing time per day and viewer bases, which indicates that it is far more efficient to put it in local P2P.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This math however does not apply for most UGC that is only requested by a rather small group (hundreds or mere thousands of viewers for a particular clip over one or two years).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As the real pay-off of deploying P2P technology is in handling massive viewer bases for live videostreaming, the fact that many of the current P2P videoclients continu to run in the background, is illogical. Effectively, one can argue that browser-based plug-in software, that is only active during viewing time, already suffices to deliver most of the distribution efficiency benefits of P2P.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam_K<br />
Joost is indeed a P2P program and it also supports livestreaming P2P.</p>
<p>It effectively works as follows:<br />
When you view a program, small encrypted packets of videocontent are called to your client (locally installed now, part of a browser plug-in in the new version) from other computers and some caching relay servers that are installed around the world.</p>
<p>The videopackets you view are cached on your local harddrive in a &#8220;heap&#8221;. If there is demand from other viewers roughly in your network neighbourhood (Joost operates some P2P algorithms that avoids to call in packets from a machine at the other side of the globe) you send packets out too.</p>
<p>With my Joost client the cached heap went up to about 1 GB, but then seemed to operate in a FIFO mode (the heap did not grow further in size).</p>
<p>The advantage of P2P is in particular during mass events with live streams, like the opening of the Olympic games. In that case many people look at the same content, so the packets are in many heaps and load on central servers can be kept down  to a few. This contrasts with non-P2P streaming, where in such cases central server loads go up to hundreds of thousands of parallel streams.</p>
<p>When you have a sufficiently broad Internet Access pipe and the (encrypted) packets are reasonably small (e.g. the Ethernet MTU packet size of 1500 bytes), livestream delays are acceptable. For a 500 kbit/s / 60 kByte/s videostream you&#8217;ll receive about 40 packets per second of 1500 bytes. So there is quite some &#8220;wiggle room&#8221; for a P2P distribution with at most a 1 to 2 second delay, considering that with 32 P2P-splits you&#8217;ll could reach 4 billion devices. That is a number that is far larger than the current Internet host count and equals the current human population in possession of a (mobile) phone.</p>
<p>Considering that the largest livestreaming events around the world are viewed by near 2 billion people (Olympic ceremonies, Soccer world championship finals etc.) a P2P approach is the most logical and efficient route to go.</p>
<p>As could be glanced from the Beijing Olympics, where the Chinese supplied livestreams via PPlive (also P2P), the current largest viewer bases are nearing the 1 million (still a 2^10 scale down from the ultimate global viewer base to be expected in an all digital TV over IP distribution environment).</p>
<p>Companies active on the Internet attempt to outrun the more &#8220;classic&#8221; approach of IPTV, which requires operator control over IP Multicast routing and strict bandwidth guarantees, while a P2P approach with local cache buffers is a bit more tolerant of  bandwidth variation at the cost of some delay.</p>
<p>There has been some math done in the past on the total amount of professional TV content, viewing time per day and viewer bases, which indicates that it is far more efficient to put it in local P2P.</p>
<p>This math however does not apply for most UGC that is only requested by a rather small group (hundreds or mere thousands of viewers for a particular clip over one or two years).</p>
<p>As the real pay-off of deploying P2P technology is in handling massive viewer bases for live videostreaming, the fact that many of the current P2P videoclients continu to run in the background, is illogical. Effectively, one can argue that browser-based plug-in software, that is only active during viewing time, already suffices to deliver most of the distribution efficiency benefits of P2P.</p>
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		<title>By: casey</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244741</link>
		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;joost may be making a mistake.. http://www.techxiety.com/2008/09/joost---countdown-to-extinction-via-a-browser-based-version.html&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joost may be making a mistake.. <a href="http://www.techxiety.com/2008/09/joost---countdown-to-extinction-via-a-browser-based-version.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.techxiety.com/2008/09/joost&#8212;countdown-to-extinction-via-a-browser-based-version.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joost: presto in versione web - Video Monte Ceneri</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244728</link>
		<dc:creator>Joost: presto in versione web - Video Monte Ceneri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] [fonte] [fonte] [fonte]  The Joost: presto in versione web by Luca Palli, unless otherwise expressly stated, is [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Sam_K</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244720</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam_K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 05:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can someone explain how the Joost P2P works? Their service uses each user&#039;s computer as a client and server for content?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: P2P IPTV Service Joost to Reinvent itself with Browser based distribution platform says a new report &#187; Metue</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244718</link>
		<dc:creator>P2P IPTV Service Joost to Reinvent itself with Browser based distribution platform says a new report &#187; Metue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Om Malik&#8217;s report says an official announcement is due soon. (Giga Om also received advance access and published a review of the new version on its sister site Newteevee). [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Om Malik&rsquo;s report says an official announcement is due soon. (Giga Om also received advance access and published a review of the new version on its sister site Newteevee). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Casi</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244713</link>
		<dc:creator>Casi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s a step in the right direction for Joost to move to a browser based model. Lycos Cinema is another browser-based site for watching movies, television, and other professional video content, and has developed unique interactive elements including technology that lets users watch programs online with friends at the same time, from multiple computers, and chat online while doing so – creating a truly social experience for online video.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a step in the right direction for Joost to move to a browser based model. Lycos Cinema is another browser-based site for watching movies, television, and other professional video content, and has developed unique interactive elements including technology that lets users watch programs online with friends at the same time, from multiple computers, and chat online while doing so – creating a truly social experience for online video.</p>
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		<title>By: random_graph</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244707</link>
		<dc:creator>random_graph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Frank
Remember Joost is P2P, and for that a download component is required, that can take the form of a full-on application installation, or it can be delivered as a browser plug-in. It looks like they&#039;re simply opt-ing for the lighter-weight browser plug-in concept.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In reality, a plug-in can have as many install and upgrade challenges as a standalone application. We&#039;ll see how it works out in this case.&lt;/p&gt;
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Remember Joost is P2P, and for that a download component is required, that can take the form of a full-on application installation, or it can be delivered as a browser plug-in. It looks like they&#8217;re simply opt-ing for the lighter-weight browser plug-in concept.</p>
<p>In reality, a plug-in can have as many install and upgrade challenges as a standalone application. We&#8217;ll see how it works out in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Joost lanceert zeer binnenkort browserversie en stopt met softwareversie at Zoomz</title>
		<link>http://newteevee.com/2008/09/05/the-new-joost-like-hulu-but-social/#comment-244706</link>
		<dc:creator>Joost lanceert zeer binnenkort browserversie en stopt met softwareversie at Zoomz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] 2: De collega&#8217;s van NewTeeVee hebben de kans gekregen om met de nieuwe versie van Joost te spelen. Het gaat om een plugin van 18.6 MB (!!) die zich gemakkelijk laat installeren. Er is zoals in de [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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